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Internet discussion of the FM-10 transmitter, 06/93




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Welcome back to the FM-10 Mailing List!   It was just discovered that this
list has been sick for some unknown period of time, but it is now cured!

If you have submitted anything, that bounced back, *please* resend it!

If you have anything new or exciting please post it - let's see some action
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Mycal, A FAQ hasn't gone out on this list in a while, do you have one
you'd like to send out??

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Sorry about that last one, I blew it.  Here is what I ment to be sent.

Note : To all that want to unsubscribe please send mail to :

        fm-10-request@dg-rtp.dg.com

If you send it to me, you probibly won't be unsubscribed.


here you go...

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                        Ramsey FM-10 Info
                                by
                        mycal@netacsys.com

7th Edition
-----------
Here is a rough compilation of information about the Ramsey FM-10, and
other BA1404 Stereo FM broadcasters.  Some of the modifications may make
your BA1404 based broadcaster illegal to use on the open airwaves in the
US and Canada.  Also it has been brought up that the stock Ramsey FM-10
kit may exceed FCC power limits when used with a proper antenna.

The infomation contained in the file is in no way complete, nor do I
take any responsibility for its accuracy.  With that in mind, along
with the above paragraph I must say :

"This file for informational purposes only."


About This File
---------------
When I first started hacking on my FM-10, a few of us on alt.radio.pirate
were exchanging information on mods to improve the range, stability and
audio quality of the FM-10.  After a couple of posts about filters and
amps, my mailbox was swamped with requests for copies of previously posted
infomation and other questions about the FM-10.  So rather than drive
myself crazy with sending a piece of info here and there, I decided to
dig through my mailbox an notes and compile this file.  I hope it helps.
Also if anyone has more infomation about the FM-10 or FM transmitters,
antennas, mixing equiptment, programming information, stories about pirates,
or anything else that falls into this realm, please send it to
mycal@netronix.com.  I will try to update this file as new information
becomes availible.

Also I am working on a some Postscript files that will contain instructions
on how to build some equiptment that is to complex for ASCII art.  You
might want to check the FTP'able archives every month or so.

I would like to say thanx to all the people that contributed to the
information in this file.  The list has grown quite long, and some
of the contributers would like to remain anonymous.  So for now I am
going to forgo all the names, if this is not up to your liking please
let me know.


FM-10 Mailing List
------------------
First Things First.  There is now a mailing list that deals with the topic
of the Ramsey FM-10 and other BA1404 based FM Stereo Transmitters.  Feel
free to join up and contribute.

To send a message to the mailing list, send your question, reply, comment,
or contribution to :

        fm-10@dg-rtp.dg.com

To add or delete yourself from the list, send a short message with
the function (add/delete/change address) along with the relevant e-mail
address to:

        fm-10-request@dg-rtp.dg.com


If you have any questions I can be reached at myca@netronix.com.


FM-10 Archives
--------------
Yes it is finally here, message archives of the fm10 mailing list and a
place to put/find schematics, reviews, stories, etc. related to the FM-10
and other BA1404 based FM transmitters.  Currently a 350mw amp plan and
the BA1404 spec sheet are located there.

People can FTP into dg-rtp.dg.com with user "anonymous" and password
"<your EMail address>".  In the fm10 directory you'll currently
find two sub-directories:

incoming
        This is writeable by everyone and this is where people should
        upload new stuff.

msg-archives
        This directory will have files named according to the date they
        were last "sealed".  The file "Current" is a running log of
        all EMail messages from the last "seal" date of the archives.

I want to thank Ed Savage and the guys at Data General, NC for
making the list and the archive possible.


Snail Mail Info Packet
----------------------
For $3 in the US, $6 overseas, I will send you an info packet I have
put togeather.  It includes plans for 4 amps (light years ahead of the
70mw one shown here) with outputs from 200mw to 5watts, instructions for
modifing the Ramsey PA-1 for fm radio band operation, a little blurb on
antennas, a block diagram showing a typical station, and the preliminary
design of my new synth transmitter. The content may change as I get new info.

Address to send the $$ to is:
mycal - FM info
pobox 750381
Petaluma, CA 94975-0381

You can also use this address to send me any info that would be hard
to send by email.  I will trade info packets for hard copy information,
email me for details.

Other Places to Look
--------------------
alt.radio.pirate is another good forum to find or post information on FM
radio transmitter.  Although you may not have pirate aspirations, many of
the things talked about can benefit everyone.

Other places to scan, sci.electronics and the amateur radio groups.


Recommended Test Equipment
--------------------------
An SWR/Power meter is a giant help, a CB to 2 meter one will suffice.
Power readings will not be accurate, but can be useful for peaking.
The most important part is the SWR meter, this is very important when
making an antenna.

A note on power meters.  I recommeded the above powermeters because they
are inexpensive and most people that are interested in hacking a FM-10
have very limited funds.  These are by no means accurate, but they will
give you some idea what is going on.  If you can spend the money you
can get an accurate power meter that is designed for this band, but the
cost is 10-15 times more.

A 50ohm non inductive load is also very helpfull, for low power applications
a 50ohm 1/4 or 1/2 watt carbon resistor works well.  This can be used to
tune up your kit and amp without interfearing with anyone.  Also note that
you can run as much power you want, legally, as long is it doesn't radiate.

A VOM with amps is very helpfull.  I would put out the extra bucks and
buy one with a freq counter (if you shop around, about $60-$70).  Buy
the one that covers audio to 20Mhz(or more).  If you are serious about
electronics you need one of these!


Dummy load
----------
Dummy loads are great for testing, without radiating a signal.  In fact
you can run as much power as you want into one of these things leagally!

Basically you want to create a non-inductive 50-ohm load.  This can be
done with regular carbon resistors, or by buying pre built Amature or
CB radio loads.  For low power ( <.5 watt ) an ethernet terminator works
well (check temp when using if it gets very hot lower input power, if it
is still cool you may be able to go up to .75 watt.)

Most CB loads use a 2-watt carbon 50-ohm resistor.

You can build your own, as wimpy or as studly as you want by running
resistors in parallel to create 50-ohms.  ie, 2 100 ohm 1/4 watt resistors
will create a 1/2 watt 50 ohm load...

Do not use 50 ohm wire wound resistors, they are not 50 ohms at radio
frequncies.

       -----
            ---------\      Sample Dummy Load where   -****- = 50 ohm
        ---|--****-- /      mounted in UHF connector.          carbon
            ---------                                          resistor
       -----


Ramsey's Address
----------------
If your looking to purchase a FM-10 kit and can't find one locally try :

Ramsey Electronics, Inc.
793 Canning Parkway
Victor, New York 14564
Phone (716) 924-4560
Fax   (716) 924-4555


Ramsey FM-10 70mw output amplifier
----------------------------------
Provides almost 9db gain to bring the output power of the Ramsey FM-10 Stereo
transmitter from 8mw to 70mw.  Not the best design, but all parts can be
found at Radio Shack!  Much better designes are soon to be available at the
archive site.

                          +12v
                          |
                          /
                          \ R1 *220 ohms(1/2 watt)
                          /
                          \
                 R2 9k    |       C2
               -/\/\/\/-----------||-----> output
              |         /
              |        /
              |   |  /
          C1  |   |/         <----------mps2222a (276-2009)
    in  --||------|\              -or-  2n4401
          ^       |  -> --
          |              |
          |              gnd
  currently on board

* you can also use 2 440 ohm 1/4 watt resistors run in parallel

I built this thing right on the underside of the FM-10 kit, C1 is the
cap that currently goes to the RCA ant jack, the 9k and the 220 ohm
resistor have to be bought, note that if you cannot find 220 ohms you
can make one by using 2 440 ohm resistors in parallel, and that a 10k
will work in place of the 9k but yealds poorer performance (-5%).

The mps2222a is from Radio Shack part number 276-2009, use this part! if
you substitute it for a 2n2222a you will get only half the gain.  Be
very careful to get the leads in the correct orientation!

I have found that a 2n4401 can be used in place of the mps2222a with a
little better performance, about 5mw more.  I think the 2n4401 can be
found at Radio Shack too.

C2 is of the same value of C1, I took the one that goes to the on board
antenna pad.

Important! the value for R2 that seems to be optimal is 220 ohms, but it
is very close to the sat point, If the amp. seems noisy (interferes with the
TV etc.) back this value off to 240 ohms.  If you lower this value below 205
ohms the power meter may read higher power but this will not be true, the
transistor will be spewing all kinds of junk and the power meter will
mistake this for higher output (in reality the signal we want will drop
considerably.)

Well that's it, effective range with a good antenna should be a little
over double.


Ramsey PA-1 2-meter to 3-meter conversion mod
---------------------------------------------
The Ramsey 2-meter amp (PA-1) can be converted for use on the FM broadcast
band.  The inductors L1 and L2 need to be changed to the following:

L1 -    Should be replaced with a 1-turn 1/4" diameter coil, Identical to
        the stock L2 shown in the PA-1 manual.

L2 -    Should be replaced with a 2 turn 1/4" diameter coil, one more turn
        than the above coil.

Tune up should be the same as in the PA-1 Manual.  Note that a FM-10 kit
cannot be used to drive a PA-1 kit alone.  The FM-10 kit doesn't put out
enough power to turn on the PA-1 kit running class-c.  So you have two
options.  One, you can do the "biased on" (newer kits may call this class-b)
modification shown in the PA-1 manual.  Doing this you can drive the PA-1
with a stock FM-10, yealding about 200-300mw of output power.  Or two, you
can drive the PA-1 with the output of the 70mw amp shown above and get close
to a watt of output power.

It should be noted here that running the PA-1 "biased on" (or class-b)
produces a much cleaner output signal than running the PA-1 class-c.  Also
that you can run the PA-1 "biased on" while driving it with the 70mw amp,
but you will show slightly less gain than in class-c.


ANTENNAS  --   read, read, read, read, most important!
--------
Also Do you have a good antenna?  I think that is the most important
thing that  you can do for extended range.  I built a 1/4 wave ground plane
using a UHF connector and 5 lengths of copper plated brazing rod (found at
the local welding shop).  Works great and only cost $3 dollars to make.
Remember good antenna will improve you range much further than a good amp
into a bad antenna.  So this should be your 1st project to increase your
range.

use the formulas out of your FM-10 manual  234/freq=length of rod.

insert the 4 ground plane rods in the 4 holes of the UHF connector, stick
them through about 1/4 inch and solder.  Solder the radiator in the top
of the UHF connector (you may have to grind it a bit to fit.)  Then bend
the ground plane rods to a 45 degree angle to the radiator.  There you
have it a very effective antenna, just connect with a 50 ohm cb cable
to your amplified ramsey, stick the antenna in a tree or in another high
place and you should have 1 miles of solid coverage (when using the
above amp.).

Also If you have an SWR meter you can cut the rods a little longer and start
clipping the ends off a little until you get the best SWR reading.

                                               |
        |              |                       |    = brazing rod
        |              |                       |
        |              |
      -----          -----                    -----  = UHF connector
      | - |         /  -  \                     -
      |   |        /        \
      |   |       /           \


The final antenna should look like this:

                           |             ^
                           |             |
                         // \\          sky  ground   --horizon--
                                                |
                                                v

        That is 1 radiator pointing strait up and 4 ground plane
        radials. (sorry for this extream description, but there
        has been some confusion.)

Be careful when you bend the brazing rod, don't break the connector.  Grab
the rod right below the connector with a pair of vice-grips (or the likes)
and bend the brazing rod at that point.

Try not to have anything metal near the radiator, this will effect
the radiation pattern.  The radiation pattern should look alot like
a donut surrounding the radiator, though deformed a bit.

I have been told that you can shorten the radiator and make the ground
radials longer to lower your radiation angle, but I haven't tried this, nor
do I know what this would do to the antenna impedance.


On The Road
-----------
Old magnet mount CB antennas can make great mobile antennas,  just take all
of the base load out of them and cut the radiator to 1/4 wave length.
If you need a longer radiator than the one that comes with the antenna
use the above mentioned brazing rod.

I've tried this antenna and it works great!  It is better than my di-pole at
home and you can drive to a high, optimal location for your broadcasts (and
you can see the vans comming for miles ;').   Also with this setup you need
very little coax cable.  Line loss using RU-58u can be killer @ 100Mhz.

You could also try a 5/8 wave length antenna, this would give you 2+db gain,
or almost 2x power gain on transmit.



Filter design for FM Radio Transmitters.
----------------------------------------
It is very important to have a clean signal,  the way 99% of all people
who get busted for illegal transmitting is that the people that live
around them complain about interference.  Most of this interference
is caused by harmonics.  Filters cut down these nasties.  So don't
draw attention to yourself, keep everyone happy, including yourself,
be clean, use a filter.

When you amplify a signal, you get unwanted byproducts these are called
harmonics.  The show up at multiples of your starting frequency.  For
example if you amplify a 50mhz signal you may get echo's on 100mhz, 150mhz
200mhz, 250mhz...  If you interfear with your neighbors TV, the local fire
department, or anyone else, you are just asking for trouble.  If you are only
on the FM Band, you will hardly be noticed.

...
Filter Designs
--------------
(basically scaled from the charts in the ARRL handbook).

Filter Design: 7 element Chebyshev
I run @ 88.1 so my 1st harmonic is 176.2
This filter seems ideal.

Fc               3db     20db    40db
85.8mhz         95.9mhz 116mhz  148mhz

              .132uh    .150uh     .132uh
        -----()()()-----()()()-----()()()-----
          |          |          |          |
<-50ohm   - 33pf     - 68pf     - 68pf     - 33pf  50ohm->
          -          -          -          -
          |          |          |          |
        --------------------------------------
                         |
                        ---
                         -

lowering the 33pf caps to 30pf and the 68pf caps to 62pf would make
this filter sutable for higher frequencies like 100mhz.


Filter Design: 5 element Chebyshev
Not as good as above, but thrown in anyway.

Fc               3db     20db    40db
81.8mhz         105mhz  147mhz  222mhz

             .128uh     .128uh
        -----()()()-----()()()-----
          |          |          |
<-50ohm   - 30pf     - 62pf     - 30pf  50ohm->
          -          -          -
          |          |          |
        ---------------------------
                     |
                    ---
                     -

The tuff part in the above is winding the coils. 3t of #12 wire 1/2" diam
should be about .12 uh. 4t is .17 uh. (but ugh, #12 wire is big stuff).
You could just use molded inductors, I have found these work well.  Try
to use fixed value caps, or fixed value with small 5pf trimmers.  The
latter works well when you have a spectrum analizer to tune there babies.

I just pulled a program of a BBS that tells you how to wind inductors.
Give it the value and wire size you have and it will tell you how many turns
and what size.  Way cool.  More on this later.


Very simple  Chebyshev filter.
------------------------------

                      .15uH
from fm10      >------()()()------> to antenna
                  |          |
                  - c1       - c2
                  -          -
                  |          |
                 ---        ---
                  -          -

      88mhz   102mhz     107mhz
c1     62pf     54pf      50pf
c2     62pf     54pf      50pf

It won't knock the harmonics down as much as the other two designs but
the good thing about this one is that it uses standard off the shelf
parts.  The inductor is one of those molded jobbies that looks like
a resistor so you can make this very small.  You may stack these things
to make a better filter.   Each stage will knock the 1st harmonic down
about 15db.

Use the above cap values depending on which freq range you want to operate
at.  ie. if you run 87-90 use the 88mhz vals,  90-103 use 102mhz vals,
and above that use 107mhz vals.

Try to use fixed value parts!

[Also of interest is that the FM-10 puts out about 8-9mw and the 1nd harmonic
is -25db off the fundamental (frequency we are broadcasting on).  The FM-4
Kit by ramsey puts out 130mw and the 1nd harmonic is only -12db off the
fundamental, which means the 1nd harmonic of the FM-4 is about as
powerful as the FM-10.  db is log10, ie 3db is 2 times 6db is 4 times...]



FM-10 Myths
-----------
There have been several myths about the FM-10 kit, the most prevelent are :

1) The fm-10 puts out 100mw of power.  This is not true, or at least not
true for the Ramsey FM-10's that I have tested.  They put out between
8 and 12mw when driven with a 12volt supply.  (note: there has been several
revisions of the FM-10, it is possible that the original version put out
more power, but I find even that highly unlikly since it would require
another amplifier stage.) Also the FM-10 is the only low cost kit, that
I have seen, with an amplifier stage.  Most others have power outputs
in the fraction of a MW area.

2) The fm-10's output can be cranked up by reducing the value of R9.  This
like the above is not true.  R9 and R10 are optimized for maximum output
and greatest harmonic suppression at 12volts.  There are much better ways
of getting more output power than to mess with this output stage.  Lowering
the value of R9 will most likly degrade the FM-10's preformance and cause
lots of interfearance.

=============================================================================

FM-10 Improvements -
--------------------
(Some from ACE magazine.)

Stereo Pilot Mod
----------------
One of the first problems experienced with the FM-10 is difficulty
in getting the stereo pilot to operate correctly.  One solution is to
replace C7 and C8 with a 38khz crystal,  this works the best and is
recommended.  If you cannot find a 38khz crystal, you can make your life
a whole lot easier with a couple part changes.  As indicated on the
Ramsey schematic, about 110pf is necessary to tune the oscillator.  The
components supplied to achieve this are a small fixed value capacitor (C7)
abd a slightly larger value trimmer (C8).  Since proper setting of the
trimmer occurs within a very small 'window' (about 5% of the trimmers
range), it can bet difficult or impossible to adjust the pilot to 19khz
and have it stay put.  This can be cured by increasing the value of c7 to
100pf and replacing c8 with a 6-50pf trimmer (Radio Shack #272-1340);
a 5-30pf trimmer will do the trick.  The RS trimmer will not fit the holes
in the pc board; one needs to cut the leads off a spare resistor and
solder them to the legs of the trimmer (just use bits of wire) to mount
it on the component side of the board.

On a 2nd note: I replaced c7 with a 68pf cap and found it much easyer to
tune a rock solid 19khz at the test point.

Crystal Mod
-----------
        old set up       new setup
          c8               c1 xtl        where c1=10pf  and xtl=38khz
        |-||-|           |-||-|\|-|
        | c7 |           |        |      v8=var cap
        |-||-|           |        |      c7=cap
        |    |           |        |

Remove C7 and C8, replace with 38khz crystal and 10pf cap.  Note that
the 10pf cap and the crystal are running series and the old cap setup
is running in parallel.

Note: there have been good and bad reports on using the Epson crystal
from digi-key.  From what I have heard the crystal is quite delicate,
and in at least one case the experimenter destroyed the crystal.
In one of the positive case c1's 10pf cap was replaced by 2 22pf caps
run in parallel, this yealded a rock solid stereo.


Treble Boost Mod
----------------
Treble boost (pre-emphasis) improvement.  The FM-10 appears to have
been designed by someone outside the United States since it operates
at the European audio standard of 50 microseconds.  Receivers in the
US are set up for 75 microsecond de-emphasis.  R3 and R6 determine the
time constant for the pre-emphasis curve.  Replacing them with 75K ohm
resistors (standard value 68K ohm is close enough) will result in
improved audio response.

A much better pre-empasis/input circut is shown in the July 1992 issue
of "Radio Electronics".  Not only do they use 75K ohm resisters in there
pre-empasis, but they filter stray RF signals by inserting a .001 cap
between pin 1 (of the BA1404) and ground, and pin 18 and ground.

It has been noted that the above mod may actually cause distortion on
cheaper stereo receivers, since they were mass produced for the world market,
they were designed for the European audio standard, which Japan and other
Asian nations use too.  Try it out, let me know what works for you.


Anti-Drift Mod
--------------
There has been quite a bit of discussion on the FM-10's frequency stability.
Complaints that digital receivers cannot lock onto the FM-10's signal for
any great length of time.  I have used the below mod with good results
(I used an N750 negative temperature compensated disc), but I have been
told that Mylar or Polystyrene caps are even better.

The FM-10 was designed to be inexpensive and cost-saving measures with
components are inevitable. Disc ceramic capacitors are less expensive than
silver-mica caps, and also much less stable.  Simply replace c16 with a
silver-mica, tantalum or negative temperature compensated disc (say anywhere
from N150 to N750) cap of the same value.

============================================================================

Sources
-------
The following is a list of sources for items used for modifications,
replacement parts, or other kits and equiptment used in FM radio
transmitting:

--
BA1404's and other FM Broadcaster kits can be found at :

D.C. Electronics
phone: 1-800-467-7736  & 1-800-423-0070
fax:1-602-994-1707

They sell BA1404's for $2 a piece, seems to be the best deal going.
Also they Sell 38Khz crystals for $5.99, which is also a fair deal, the
crystals are tiny ones like the digi-key ones, but a different brand and
work without problems or the Digi-Key ones.
--
--
38Khz Crystals can be obtained by calling :

Digi-Key at 1-800-DIGI-KEY.

38.000 KHz by Epson America, Digi-Key part No. is SE3314
(see notes on crystal mod on using this crystal, also note that
this is a cylinder type crystal and kinda delicate.  you are probibly
better off getting the 38Khz crystals from D.C. Electronics.)
--
--
Panaxis Productions makes some very high quality FM transmitters.  The
last word in Transmitting, tons of kits.

Panaxis Productions
PO Box 130                      (right next to my old place of study
Paradise, CA  95967-0130.                  Chico State! )
(916)534-0417

Catalogs are $2, well worth it, a must have item.

A little taste of there catalog :

MMC1 Macromod Compander for 2:1 compression
Plans $12, PCB $18, P+P 26.50, Full kit $87

SG High performance stereo generator
Plans $15, PCB $13.5, P+P 26.50, Full kit $105

FME PLL FM exciter
Plans $17.5, PCB $15, P+P 24.50, Full kit $129

More expensive than a FM-10 but much higher performance.
--
--
A company called Progressive Concepts sells plans for a 88mhz to 108mhz
amp.  The power curves show that 12mw in will yeald 2.5 watts, but can
be driven harder for up to 12 watts.  (I have not seen these plans)

Plans only in U.S., $16.
Progressive Concepts
1313 N. Grand Ave.  #291
Walnut, CA. 91789
--
--
If your looking to purchase a FM-10 kit (or a PA-1 kit) and can't find one
locally try :

Ramsey Electronics, Inc.
793 Canning Parkway
Victor, New York 14564
Phone (716) 924-4560
Fax   (716) 924-4555

Should be $29
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The makers of the infamous BA1404 :

Rohm Corporation
Rohm Electronics Division
3034 Owen DR
Jackson Business Park
Antioch, TN 37013

PH:  (615)-641-2020 (ask for someone who deals with the BA-1404)
FAX: (615)-641-2022

Also they have:

PO Box 1399
Antioch, TN 37011-1399


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the 2sc2570 is supposedly replaceable with an ecg10.  Also I have used
an MRF901 for a replacement, though tough to mount, try bottom of the
pc board and connecting the whip anttenna pad to ground plane. MPS901's
seem to replace directly, same case too.  I have also been told that
mps918's work well also.

The MRF239 can be used aas direct replacement for the Ramsey 2 meter PA-1
kit.  Cost is around $14 bucks.

Newark also has the 38khz crystals for $2.90 ( I don't know newarks address,
this was sent to me in the mail, will try to find it though.)

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Well I have more info, but it is not organized enough even for this rough
sheet.  Given time I may polish it an post it.

Once more If you have any info, I stress "ANY", about this subject please
drop me a byte or two.

have fun,

mycal@netacsys.com

PS. all spelling or grammar flames ignored.  So there.

my public key is as follows:
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From virtech!gjp@uunet.UU.NET  Thu May 13 09:35:46 1993
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I have joined the list and read the faq, but still have alot of questions...
but I start with a few hoping for some pointers to more info.

The reason I joined this list was because it deals with setting up a studio
at home that can broadcast on the radio (or that is what I thought). 

My reason for interest in this is I want to get back into broadcasting and 
this sounds like a way to do it. If I am totally offbase, please let me know. 

My main question is cost (startup) and legality. Any info is appreciated...

Thanks for the patience!

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From acsys!acsys!mycal@nntp.crl.com  Thu May 13 12:08:50 1993
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Mycal: Please relay this anonymously to the FM-10 list.  If you feel like
responding personally, please do.

I just ftp'd the 350mw amp plans from dg-rtp.dg.com and I was sorta puzzled
at some parts in it.  I believe it was the one called 'fixed.ps.Z'
    Anyway, I noticed the rather small values on C4 and C5.  They look
like just a ripple filter, but when I looked at the values, it looked pretty
small for a ripple filter.
    Second, I'm not too sure of why L3 and L4 are there, but they don't
really offer me any problems.  What does offer me a problem is L1 and L2.
I'm really pretty averse to winding my own coils - can someone give me an
inductance value for these, so I can use fixed parts?  I'm more inclined to
use fixed parts for their ruggedness as well.

Finally, onto bigger things, I found a design for active Butterworth filters,
using op-amps.  Does anyone know if an op-amp will respond in the 100 MHz
range or not?

Hopefully, once I get the actual schematics from a friend, I hope to post a
design for a homebrew FM xmitter, based on, believe it or not, a 555 and
a couple of crystals.  It's mono, but according to reports, the response on
this thing is so amazing, it lights up the stereo light on cymbal crashes.

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mycal

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   Hi!  A new addition to the list of fellow FM-10 hackers, thanks to Charles
Morgan.  I bought his pre-assembled transmitter and am happy to say it works
beautifully.  I've constructed a ground-plane antenna, fumbled with power
supplies (and resorted back to the 9V until I can find plans for an AC-noise
killer), and ordered a PA-1 from Ramsey.  I still need to find the parts for
Mycal's 800mw amp, however; can anyone save me the hassle and point me in some
direction?  Until I get these other projects completed, I'm the proud broad-
caster on 89.5 for the entire 150 person apartment complex I live in.  :)
(I've yet to see if the flyers in the laundry room paid off.)

   Also, I've checked the archives for the phone -> mixing-board plans, but
was only able to come across the wires hack.  Can someone post the other ones
which DO involve capacitors, transformers, and the like?

	Thanks,

		- Clint



From Ben.Harvey@lambada.oit.unc.edu  Mon May 31 18:21:19 1993
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I'd like my name to be added to this mailing list!  Thanks a lot!



ben.harvey@bbs.oit.unc.edu            -Ben







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