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Compuserve CO on hadronic energy
********** 7/1/95 3:51 PM Forum CO
Alain/As't Sys Op | Hi Shannon!
Rich | I studied electromagnetism for years in
| college ... quite a complex field.
| Certainly much that can be overlooked.
Alain/As't Sys Op | So do we keep talking about hadronics anyway?
Paul Hadeed | Hi Shannon.
Nathan the Viking | HELLO ALL
Paul Hadeed | Hi Alain
Shannon | Hi all.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Hi Paul!
Nathan the Viking | opps damn caps lock
Shannon | Yes, its 4, so its back to hadronics.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Not sure if Ron intends to be here too.
| We can still. wait a few minutes.
| Vikings like Caps locks!
Paul Hadeed | Shannon, can you explain what hadronic
| is a little simpler.
Alain/As't Sys Op | First, what is Hadron?
Shannon | I'll start out with some easy stuff...
| Hadron is any nuclear particle.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Any?
Shannon | Mostly protons and neutrons. Quoting
| Santilli's new book: By far the most
| intriguing and
| promising consequences of the chemical
| synthesis of the neutron are of applied
| In fact, they predict a new source of
| subnuclear energy called hadronic energy.
Paul Hadeed | How old of a concept is Hadron.
Shannon | A good analogy is the electron...
| Just go one layer deeper into the atom...
| and the nucleus is very similar to atoms.
| There is the analogy...
| of lasers, absorbing and giving off packets
| of energy...
| due to electrons jumping back and forth...
| fron energy level to energy level...
| Gamma rays are produced...
| from nucleons jumping down energy levels in
| the nucleus.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Protons have energy levels too?
Shannon | I don't know yet....
| the books talk about atoms.
| Some gamma rays come out of nuclear decay...
| in uniform frequency...
| and in certain angles.
| This sounds like...
| you could definitely make...
| gamma ray lasers...
| but Santilli doesn't give out those type of
Alain/As't Sys Op | Do you know if Santilli read about Bearden?
Shannon | I don't know.
Alain/As't Sys Op | From looking at the hadronic gifs,....
| it appears that Santilli is looking at
| charges transfer...
| just like Bearden has been looking at. Except
| that Bearden identifies mass current and
| massless current.
Shannon | I got equations!
| ...to indicate that the neutron is naturally
| unstable according to the esothermic reaction
| n -> p+ + e- + <nu>sub 2
| which produces about 1.3 MeV. But then, we
| expect that the above decay can be
| that is, we expect the existence of means for
| the artificial decay of the neutron, e.g.,
| bombardment with a gamma of a frequency
| suitable to stimulate the emission of the
| It seems like he is looking at the reverse...
| of gamma emission.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Yes, or scalar energy, typically controlled
| by phase conjugation according to Bearden.
Michael Brown | Hi Shannon! What practical achievements do
| you see for Isophysics in the foreseeable
Shannon | 1.3 Mevs is not uncommon for gamma emmitters.
| Hi Michael!....
| Clean heat and electricity....
| Santilli has a bunch of ideas...
Alain/As't Sys Op | Heat and electricity? I thought that Gamma
| rays are hard to use.
Shannon | I'm barely into it.
| Gamma is absorbed...
| You need a tuned coherent beam...
| to be absorbed by the neutron.
Michael Brown | Going back to gamma interaction, my
| understanding is that neutrons are unaffected
| by a
| gamma flux
| what source would produce a coherent beam of
| gamma rays?
Shannon | I see the parallel with the laser...
| with certain isotopes...
| which could undergo chain reaction, perhaps...
| but I don't know about getting them all
Michael Brown | Unlike light, gamma rays penetrate matter.
| How can one build a laser?
Shannon | I was thinking of a large circular device...
| that might channel the gammas in a
Michael Brown | Well why does coherence matter in promoting
| an intereaction ?
Shannon | perhaps that gives a much larger package
| concentrated in one spot.
| Nucleii are very small in cross section.
| (compared to atoms).
Michael Brown | Do you mean that the gammas would
| spontaneously form particles, electon
| pairs or something in the synchrotron? What
| is the purpose of the synchrotron?
Shannon | The cyclic beam could stimulate
| radioactive breakdown.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Do you think that a "group" effect occurs
| when coherence is used?
Michael Brown | OK so would gammas be a product of the
Shannon | In a quantum world, there is a breakdown of
| our ordinary common sense...
Michael Brown | <GGG> How true!!
Shannon | So compact gammas might have different
| Here's some more Santilli:
| Relativistic hadronic mechanics and the
| isospecial relativity predict the numerical
| value of
| such excitation frequency. Certain light,
| stable, natural elements (A, Z) are then
| predicted to
| admit the stimulated transmutation
| <gamma> + (A,Z) -> (A, Z+1) + e-
| + <nu>sub e
Michael Brown | Never heard of compact gammas. Are they
| projections from another plane?
Shannon | No, I was using the example of light...
| wherein empty space can contain only so much
| light density...
| then it collapses and the light condenses
| into matter.
| This might be what happens in hadronics.
Alain/As't Sys Op | What density does that happen at?
Shannon | I think it might be found near black holes
| in trapped light sheets.
| I don't know the values, though.
Alain/As't Sys Op | OK, so it is not really feasible within a lab
| sort of thing.
Shannon | Maybe it is cold fusion, only in reverse.
Michael Brown | Is this idea linked to your hypothesis of a
| time based reality?
Shannon | Yes!...
Michael Brown | Wher's the link?
Shannon | I had predicted a layered structure of
| where in the 2-dimensional universe,...
| matter would consist only of nuclei...
| and there would be a 2-d 'chemistry' possible
| so I need to develop THREE separate periodic
| charts, one for each universe.
Michael Brown | How do we get from there to gamma rays?
Alain/As't Sys Op | But can 2-D elements be used in a 3-D space?
Shannon | An excitation in the electrons produces light
| an excitation in the nucleus produces gamma...
| and in the quarks, ultra gamma?
| Atoms evolve through the second and third big
| so at expansion, the 2-d properties must
| Which produces a complex mix of particles...
| some of which can be point-like, as if they
| are one-dimensional.
Michael Brown | You mean that you postulate a big bang for
| each dimension?!!
Shannon | Correct!
| There is no reason...
| for three to be a given number of
| I think they evolved sequentially.
Michael Brown | Alain, is this being recorded? I would like
| to think about it afterwards?
Alain/As't Sys Op | I am recording it, yes.
| Shannon is too and he is normally uploading
| that stuff.
Shannon | Hydrogen and helium have been discovered in
| intergalactic space...
| My theory predicts such dispersed matter...
| is survived from the previous epoch...
| and acquires a "coating" of electrons upon
| I predict these will be ionized...
| and they are!
| (far out in space has no access to electrons).
Michael Brown | I can accept more than one big bang in space
| time, but big bangs which change the
| number of dimension and which interact with
| existing dimensions blow the mind!
The Fool... | Salutations........
Shannon | Howdy, pardner!
Alain/As't Sys Op | But then, there are some who speculate that
| there never was a big-bang. Eric Lerner is
| one of those.
Shannon | Big expansion, then?
Alain/As't Sys Op | More like a condensation all over the place,
| I guess. I never really got to read the book.
| It is on my "to read" list though!
The Fool... | What are we searching for today?
Alain/As't Sys Op | hadronic energy.
Shannon | I postulate that it is no coincidence...
| that there are four fundamental forces...
| AND four fundamental dimensions...
Alain/As't Sys Op | Kind of odd, yes.
The Fool... | What are the four fundamental forces
Shannon | This is simultaneous evolution of matter and
| Electromagnetic, gravity, ...
| strong, and weak nuclear.
The Fool... | The return to the beginning then.....?
Shannon | The return to the beginning...
| in my theory, is a return to infinity.
| Some stuff starts over, and some stuff
Michael Brown | Shannon, I've got to leave it there. Glad
| to have a brief chat. Keep cracking the
| secrets of
| the universe! Hope you win soon! Thanks and
Shannon | Thanks a bunch!
| It is always great talking to you.
Alain/As't Sys Op | We'll find something one day!
| Some more stuff on Bearden soon to come by
| the way.
Shannon | I just wanna build a UFO.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Well, why not be teleported instead?
Shannon | Or better yet, just sit in your house and
| watch a screen.
| Bearden has scared me away from free energy.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Why?
Shannon | Too powerful!
| Hadronic might be better.
Alain/As't Sys Op | UFOs are powerful too and you are not scared.
| I think that hadronic is just the same stuff
| under a different tag name.
Shannon | They don't bother me , as far as I know.
| Could be...
Alain/As't Sys Op | BTW, just saw in the newspaper that a new
| movie is coming out.
| Species: Our Time is Up
| Two decades ago, scientists sent a message to
| space, this... is the reply.
| They have a species site on internet;
| Will have to give a glance to that one!
Shannon | I guess I have to learn how to do that.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Hehehe!
Shannon | Did you hear we're getting the roswell film...
| from Ray Santilli.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Yes, I heard.
| So is Roger going to be in a future CO then?
| (not Ray)
Shannon | Roger will be easier to nail down...
| in October-November. He likes to do stuff
| early, though.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Early?
Shannon | (in the day)
Alain/As't Sys Op | I see.
| OK. So let's close this down. Might be some
| useful stuff from this CO to upload to
| Especially that Michael wants to give some
| more thoughts to it.
Shannon | I have some more uploads coming for the next
| It will be on space-time machines.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Next CO is mid July?
Shannon | July 15
| Time is up! I guess we scare a lot of people
| off with this math, eh?
Alain/As't Sys Op | Yep!
| Read the stuff I sent you in email on Bearden
| by the way.
Shannon | Yeh, I got it. Will do.
Alain/As't Sys Op | Bye
Shannon | See you later, Alain.
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