Earth Star
                          Interview
                              
                      By Lane Masterson
                              
THEY LIVE on a virtually inaccessible dirt road somewhere
near Sedona, Arizona, only venturing out into society on
rare occasions, but their inventions and discoveries are
avidly sought out by manufacturers and health product
companies worldwide.

You won't find the Flanagan name on any of the popular
wholistic lecture circuits so prevalent today. They live a
quietly, active life on a rural twenty-odd acre "hermitage"
surrounded by wildlife and exotic pets that answer to names
like "Pleiades" and "Monk". Their home/laboratory is full of
the latest high tech equipment, some they have specially
designed for their pioneer research into longevity and human
bio-energy systems.

Long-time spiritual seekers, the Flanagan's are involved in
a great unfolding adventure of discovery and new alchemy.
They are intent to put the "physics" back in "metaphysics".

Like alchemists of old, the search for a health-giving, life
bestowing elixir has become an exciting and all-consuming
work. For twenty years. Dr. Patrick Flanagan has researched
the properties of the Hunza water, the longevity-enhancing
drink of a people who frequently live up to 100 years old
illness free - in the  mountains above Pakistan. Duplicating
the complex molecular structure of the "living-water"
involved the invention of the Tangential Vortex Amplifier
which imitates the properties of the glacial water of the
Karakorum Mountains near Hunza. Not coincidentally, the
Flanagan's live near one of the great natural vortex energy
centers of the earth - Sedona.

The following interview with Gael Crystal and Patrick
Flanagan is a profile of their work and a sharing of their
scientific insights. The reader may want to have a
dictionary ready. There are parts that may require a little
translation. These are scientists...!

Q. Gael, you have often referred to yourself and Patrick as
"techno-monks". Could you explain what you mean by this?
What prompted your current unique life-style?

Patrick and I have both traveled extensively throughout the
world. Our travel was of a spiritual nature as well as a way
of furthering our life-long study of longevity and health
related research.

We began our "techno-monk" life-style after our last trip to
Egypt when we were married in the Great Pyramid of Giza. We
were given special permission by the Egyptian government to
spend the night inside the King's and Queen's chambers
during the Pleaidian alignment of 1983. The following night
Patrick and I climbed to the top of the Great Pyramid and
spent the night there. It was an absolutely incredible
experience. We then visited the sacred temples of Egypt and
Greece before returning to our home in the mountains of
Arizona where we have been living happily ever after.

I came up with the term techno-monks because it best
describes the kind of "socially transcendent" life-style
Patrick and I have been living. For almost 10 years we have
lived several miles down a little traveled dirt road leading
to our home in the forest.

We have our own orchard, well and small garden. We share our
lives with 11 dogs, 10 cats and many feathered friends. We
only go to town as needed, maybe once or twice a week. The
rest of our time is spent in creative, spiritual, artistic
and intellectual pursuits.

Although we live without a lot of social interaction in the
usual way we still feel a sense of relatedness to others and
are constructively active in the world. This is where the
"techno" part comes into play. We have an up to date
laboratory, all the latest computer equipment, fax machines,
oscilloscopes, Fourier Transform analyzers etc.etc. This
technology provides us with the means to share our research
and discoveries.

We write articles for magazines and our book Elixir of The
Ageless has been translated into three languages, German,
Japanese and Spanish. We still do radio shows and lectures
by telephone so we do not have to leave our hermitage.

Our spiritual lives flourish in this secluded natural
environment. Our health is excellent -- I haven't had a cold
in over 20 years. Our creativity is greatly enhanced making
it possible to manifest the results of our research in
tangible ways.

Social transcendence is always growth motivated and can take
place much more easily in this kind  of techno-monk life
style.

Q. Throughout the ages, the "fountain of youth," the "elixir
of life" has been sought by adventurers and alchemists
alike. Perhaps a few did discover the secret like St.
Germain, who is reputed to have lived for centuries. Your
search for the secret of longevity and health has lead on an
interesting metaphysical journey. Could you tell us about
your discoveries?

It is known that there are at least five places on Earth
that have "special water" where people live to be 100 or
more years old while maintaining perfect health. In all
these areas the local inhabitants claim that it is their
special water that is the secret of their prolonged youth.
One such place is Hunza land, in the Karakorum Mountains
just north of Pakistan.

It was the study of the special colloidal mineral clusters
found in Hunza water and 80 years of combined research that
lead to the development of Microclusters.. We discovered that
certain minerals in Hunza water actually alter the structure
of water so that it closely resembles that found in the
living cells of living fruits and vegetables.

By analyzing the essence of water we discovered the
"alchemists" dream -- duplicating the secret of Hunza water.
The cloudy water found in Hunza is full of natural colloidal
mineral clusters that are suspended by an electrical charge
or Zeta potential. We succeeded in duplicating these high
energy colloidal clusters through a 33 step process. One of
the secret processes involves charging the colloids with a
device we invented that we call the tangential vortex
amplifier. We call these tiny mineral clusters "Flanagan
Microclusters.". Flanagan Microclusters. are tiny groups or
clusters of mineral atoms that group together in geometric
structures that when seen under a powerful electron
microscope, resemble a geodesic domes.

The first Microcluster (R) product we developed is something
called Crystal Energy (R) concentrate. Crystal Energy (R) is
a concentrated Microcluster (R) liquid that is added to all
beverages, especially to drinking water.

Adding Crystal Energy (R) to the water we drink duplicates
the healthful characteristics of Hunza water and also
resembles water found in the living fluids of fruits and
vegetables. Crystal Energy (R) transforms ordinary water by
acting as a catalyst that alters and reduces surface tension
of water by making it a more efficient solvent and wetting
agent. It is the solvent nature of water that enables it to
perform its functions in the living system.

Water is the carrier of all nutrients to the cells, including
oxygen. We cannot even breath without water. The human brain
is composed of over 90% water and the body is at least 70%
water. Even bones are 60% water.

Since our bodies are composed mostly of water. The type of
water we drink has a profound influence on our well being.



Q. What is the significance of the term Zeta potential?

Dr. Thomas Riddick, a pioneer in colloid chemistry stated:
"Zeta Potential represents a basic law of Nature, and it
plays a vital role in all forms of plant and animal life. It
is the force that maintains the discreteness of the billions
of circulating cells which nourish the organism." It plays a
vital role in all forms of plant and animal life. If Zeta
potential is low, toxins cannot be suspended for elimination
and nutrients cannot be suspended for transportation to the
cells. The whole system becomes clogged.

Flanagan Microclusters. energize virtually everything they
contact. These ultra-fine particles of matter reveal a
different side of miniaturization, one in which shrinking the
size of nutrients enhances the quality of those nutrients.
Our Microclusters. are about 5 nanometers <billionths of a
meter> in diameter. They are so small that 240,000 of them
can be placed side by side on the head of a pin. They have an
enormous surface area of about 240,000 square feet per ounce.

When nutrients are combined with Microclusters. they are
reduced to the smallest possible particle size and are
encased inside the geodesic-dome like structures, protecting
them until they are delivered to the cells, usually within
seconds of ingesting. In addition, these tiny minerals
feature unusual energies and catalytic abilities, making the
nutrients they are combined with far more effective than they
would be otherwise.

Q. Could you tell us about your research with the Naessens
microscope?

Dr. Alex's Carrel won the Nobel Prize in medicine for
demonstrating that living cells can be kept alive
indefinitely by applying a simple formula. Dr. Carrel said:
"The cell is immortal. It is merely the fluid in which it
floats that degenerates. Renew this fluid at intervals, give
the  cells what they require  for nutrition and as far as we
know, the pulsation of life may go on forever".

The fluid which Dr. Carrel referred to is cellular water.
Cellular water is different from bulk ordinary water in that
cellular water is composed of liquid crystals while bulk
water is relatively unstructured.

Attempts to duplicate Dr. Carrel's work have ended in
failure. The reason is that no one was able to duplicate Dr.
Carrel's secret nutrient solution used to replenish
nutrients in the cells. The secret of cellular longevity
lies in the discovery of a life energy mediator which is
found in the cellular fluids of all living organisms. Gaston
Naessens of Canada may have discovered a cellular energy
transformer. He calls this life-form the somatid. The word
somatid means "tiny body".

Naessens discovered the somatid after he developed a new
powerful microscope that enabled him see cellular organisms
that could never be seen before. These small organisms are
in constant motion and cannot be seen under the conditions
imposed by electron scanning microscopy and ordinary optical
microscopy.

In the 1940's, as a blood microbiologist, he discovered that
there was something in the blood that could barely be seen
with the most powerful microscope. Naessens realized that
optical microscopes had reached perfection and could not be
further improved. He found that by manipulating light
resolving power could be improved. The ability to see an
object under a microscope is dependent on your ability to
illuminate your subject. In normal microscopy, light passes
through the object or is reflected from the top of the
subject into the lens system. It is theoretically impossible
to view something that is smaller than one-half the physical
wavelength of the light of illumination. This means that the
maximum resolving power for an optical microscope is between
2000 and 3000 Angstroms (200 - 300 nanometers). This is one
half the wavelength of blue light.

Resolving power is defined as a measure of the ability of a
telescope or microscope to produce detectable separate
images of objects that are close together. Naessens
developed a modified `dark field' illuminator that
illuminates the object to be viewed by transmitting ultra
violet light at right angles to the object. When viewed from
the top, the light is focused from the sides toward the
center of the viewing field. The light surrounds the subject
in a perfect circle. The background is a black disk that
prevents light from entering the eye directly through the
subject to be viewed. In addition, the short wave
ultraviolet light causes many tiny particles to `glow' or
fluorescence thereby emitting their own light in the visible
spectrum. This is very much like glow paint under a 'black
light'.

An understanding of the light system may be found in our own
homes. We are surrounded by tiny air particulates that are
one micron or less in diameter. We cannot see these
particles because the light in our environment is diffused
and comes from all directions. If we move to a dark room
with a hole in the wall, and a beam of sunlight shines
through that hole, the air particulates are illuminated by
brilliant light from a 90 degree angle against a dark
background. The invisible particles can then be resolved by
the naked eye. At this point our eyes have a resolving power
of less than one micron without the aid of magnification.
Gaston Naessens ingeniously applied this phenomenon to the
optical microscope.

Some of your readers may be familiar with microscopy and may
point out that dark field microscopy has been used for years
however no one was able to get the resolving power that
Naessens claims. The answer is simple: Naessens developed a
better dark field condenser. This discovery has moved the
power of optical microscopy into the 21st century.

We recently added a Naessens microscope to our research
laboratory so that we could explore this new frontier of
tiny organisms.

When viewed with the microscope, somatids look like tiny
flickering points of pure light. When we inspect live human
blood we see these particles in a vibratory dance around our
red blood cells. Naessens described these particles in the
life fluids of all living things. They are in abundance in
fresh picked fruits and vegetables but are lacking in the
juice of vegetables and fruits that are not fresh. By
viewing our own live blood we have been able to correlate
feelings of strength and vitality with an abundance of
somatids. After we drink Crystal Energy (R) concentrate, our
blood is filled with millions of somatids.

We have found somatids in every living juice or fluid as
well as in Hunza water and Crystal Energy (R). By observing
the effects of diet, sleep, exercise, Crystal Energy (R)
water and fresh fruits and vegetables on our blood somatids,
We have been able to further refine our healthy life-style
and have tripled our energy.

The Naessens microscope has enabled us to further our
research so that every aspect of life and its effect on the
blood is easily observable. There is an old saying that
"life is in the blood". By observing the effects of
nutrients, exercise, and diet on the blood we can certainly
enhance the quality of life.

Q. What effects do Microclusters. have on somatids?

Microclusters. possess powerful surface energies that
potentize somatids. Part of this capability may be due to
the ability of Microcluster (R) particles to absorb, store
and release electrons. This ability is measured by means of
a measure called redox potential.

When Microclusters. are added to water, the surface charges
(Zeta potential) attract water molecules and form liquid
crystals. When liquid crystals are formed at room
temperature, free energy is conserved by a reduction of
surface tension. When surface tension is lowered, free
energy is increased and wetting power is increased. Free
energy is defined as negative entropy. Negative entropy is
the energy associated with a higher order or structuring.
Negative entropy is closely associated with life. That is,
in living energy systems, energy tends to be stored in the
form of increased structure. In an aging system, entropy
increases, i.e. structure is destroyed. In thermodynamics,
the term entropy is defined as the amount of energy in a
system that is in a state of disorder and therefore
unavailable for use. Negative entropy means we have more
energy available in the form of structure. In chemistry,
Gibbs Free  Energy equations relate surface tension and
temperature to entropy. When structure is increased without
lowering temperature, negative entropy is manifested as a
reduction of surface tension. It is the Gibbs Free Energy
formula that explains how Microclusters. are able to lower
the surface tension of ordinary water.

Q. How is it that just changing the size of mineral can
affect its properties?

In the 1990's one of the major themes of physics and
chemistry is likely to be the study of how matter behaves at
the scale of nanometers -- billionths of a meter. These tiny
particles of matter are called clusters. Matter in this size
range behaves in unexpected ways. The  material begins to
exhibit "surface energy" phenomena. When molecules are in
solution, the surface of the molecules react with the
environment and the molecules that are below the surface
have non activity. The more atoms exposed on the surface,
the greater the energy interactions. In cluster dimension (1
- 10 nanometers) ordinary particles become powerful energy
catalysts. As an example, a one centimeter cube has only two
or three molecules out of ten million on the surface. If the
cube is divided into particles one micron (1000 nanometers)
in diameter, one molecule in 450 is a surface molecule and
the single cube has now been divided into one trillion
particles. At 10 nanometers the number of surface molecules
has grown to be 25% of the total, and at 5 nanometers over
50% of the molecules are on the surface.

When Microclusters. were tested by Dr. Kenneth Reed at the
University of Minnesota. Dr. Reed stated that Flanagan
Microclusters. are "hundreds of times more active and
stronger than the particles of any known surfactant due to a
much greater dispersal capability in suspension."

The enormous surface energies on the surface of Flanagan
Microclusters. are thousands of times more effective as
catalysts than those found in ordinary colloids.

An example of these powerful catalytic effects is shown when
Microclusters. are intimately mixed with ordinary nutrients:

Microclusters. are composed of all natural ingredients. By
coating Microclusters. with essential fatty acids we are able
to make "chylomicron" like particles. These resemble the
chylomicrons that are manufactured by the digestive system.
Chylomicrons are tiny organic clusters that are usually
manufactured during the digestive process. By creating
artificial chylomicrons, we are able to enhance absorption of
nutrients without digestion.

In the digestive system, nutrient absorption is  aqueous and
therefore depends on the wetting of  nutrients by water. The
wetting process depends on surface tension. The lower the
surface tension of the digestive fluids, the more effective
will be the nutrient absorption. There are three sites of
absorption in the digestive system. Alcohol is the only
nutrient absorbed by the stomach. Carbohydrates, amino acids
and other nutrients that are water soluble are absorbed
through the "hepatic" pathway from the small intestine. The
portal vein carries these nutrients to the liver where they
are further processed before being used by the body.

Fatty acid type nutrients are emulsified and by bile colloids
and enzymes to form colloidal particles that have a Zeta
potential or electrical charge. These nutrients are then
absorbed by the Lymphatic Vessels that bypass the liver and
are led directly to the blood through the Thoracic Duct. The
fatty acid particles are coated by digestive colloids so that
the lipids are water dispersible and have a high Zeta
potential.

The mineral silica is easily absorbed through both the
hepatic and the lymphatic pathways. Volkheimer found that
silica particles as large as diatoms are absorbed through
both the portal and lymphatic paths. Microclusters. are
predominantly silica and are thousands of times smaller than
diatoms. They are therefore even easier to absorb. Ordinary
silica does not have a high Zeta potential. As we reduce
silica particles in size, the surface area increases
geometrically. The combination of high Zeta potential and
surface area enables Microclusters. to form complex bonding
matrices that are not possible with other forms of silica.

Q. Can you list some substances, i.e. vitamins, foods,
pollutants, medicine etc., that bring about the greatest
changes in the blood and why?

In foods, we have found that live, organic raw fruits and
vegetables as well as their juices quickly affect the blood
in a positive way. The discreteness and mobility of blood
cells and somatids are rapidly enhanced. The microscope has
enabled us to rapidly see the difference between organic
vital food and devitalized  and processed foods. Poisons and
pollutants tend to destroy Zeta potential.

The trace minerals and live enzymes are powerful blood
catalysts. We have also found that certain individual
nutrients greatly affect the blood. Vitamin B12, and other
tetrapyrroles, and many pigments and flavins have pi electron
bonds that act as energy transducers in the living system.
The best type of Vitamin B12 is known as co-enzyme B12. This
is the form of vitamin B12 that is stored in the body. When
we take this form, we are bypassing about five steps in
biological processing. The reason vitamin B12 is energizing
to the body is that all tetrapyrrole or porphyrin ring type
structures act as energy transformers for the living system.
The algae Spirulina contains an enormous quantity of these
pigments including co-enzyme B12.

We have found that ATP in (Adenosine Tri-phosphate), the
energy giving molecule that is created and used by the
mitochondria has a powerful effect on the blood when it is
delivered to the extra cellular lymphatic fluids. Normally,
ATP is manufactured and used inside the cells and we find
very little of it in the extra cellular environment. Recent
research however has shown that the molecule has powerful
effects outside the cells. It acts like a powerful
neurotransmitter. In this case it is not used for energy but
it exerts a powerful influence on extra cellular receptors.

Fresh natural foods are loaded with ATP. Some of it is
attached to molecules that help it to bypass the digestive
system where it would be broken down before it reaches the
lymph system.

In our research, we combine ATP with Microclusters. so that
it is protected and is delivered to the lymph without
digestion.

On the negative side, we have found that many ordinary
household products and over the counter remedies have a very
powerful negative influence on blood dynamics. Saturated
fats and animal fats found in milk, dairy products, potato
chips, processed foods and meats tend to cause blood
clumping and stickiness. This interferes with the mobility
and ability of the blood to transport nutrients to the
cells. It also stops the body from eliminating toxins. This
is a good reason to become a vegetarian.

We have also found that aluminum based products found in
many antacids and deodorants are extremely negative.
Aluminum is a small atom and it has a triple positive
valence, that is, it emits a very powerful positive charge
that wreaks havoc with the negatively charged blood
colloids.

Dr. Thomas Riddick discovered that the blood cells are kept
in circulation by the Zeta potential or negative electrical
charge. Certain positively charged ions like the aluminum
ion are extremely destructive to the balance of biological
colloidal systems. This is why we should not use aluminum
pots and pans for cooking and we should avoid aluminum
containing products such as antacids, baking powders and
deodorants at all costs.

Aluminum salts are used to precipitate of coagulate organic
colloids out of many municipal water supply systems. Free
aluminum ions are sometimes found in city tap water. This is
another reason to drink water that has been distilled or run
through a reverse osmosis system.

The imbalance of potassium to sodium and calcium to
magnesium can have devastating effects on the blood. Most
processed foods have been devitalized and the normal excess
of potassium to sodium and magnesium to calcium found in
natural foods has been reversed. Virtually all natural raw
vegetarian foods contain more than twice as much magnesium
than calcium. In addition they contain at least five times
as much potassium than sodium.

The sodium/potassium balance controls blood mobility through
electrical charge balance while the magnesium/calcium
balance affects the output of hormones that control the
mobility of these ions in and out of the bones and soft
tissues. These hormones can directly affect blood balance.

Excess magnesium helps to move calcium away from soft
tissues and into the bones where it belongs. When calcium is
in excess to magnesium, hormones are released that move
calcium away from bones and into soft tissues where the
excess calcium ions destroy cells. No matter how much
calcium you take into your system, it will not go into the
bones without the help of magnesium.

In addition to our natural 100% vegetarian diet, we take
extra magnesium supplements so that we get an extra 1,000
milligrams of magnesium per day.

Q. The blood is often described in esoteric literature as a
spiritual organ that carries the consciousness of the
individual. When the blood is affected, as in cases of
disease, the consciousness of the individual is dimmed. Can
you suggest from your research what substances can be taken
on a regular basis to improve the quality of the blood and
thus boost consciousness?

Molecular psychiatry is now showing us that hormone and
neurotransmitter balance greatly affect our  thinking
processes. If the blood is polluted and sluggish, it cannot
transport vital substances to their destinations. Our blood
studies have shown that most people have blood streams that
are extremely polluted.

On a physical basis, the blood transmits hormones and neuro
peptides throughout the body. We have extensively studied
the effects of hormone and peptides on consciousness. What
we eat and what we drink are of primary importance to build
a foundation on which to build higher consciousness.

When we go beyond food and drink, we have found that many of
the so called "smart nutrients" have effects on the blood.
This big mistake however is that most people who are into
health take too many vitamins, minerals and pure nutrients
like amino acids.

The blood balance is very delicate and too many nutrients
and minerals  entering circulation at once can have a
devastating effect. Nutrients have to be spaced out over the
entire day in order to be effective. Take vitamin C for
instance. We have found that two or three grams at one time
is beneficial, but if we take ten grams it overloads the
blood and clumping occurs. The old saying that we should
take everything in moderation certainly applies here.

Nutrients that are found in natural organic raw food are not
found in concentrated form. The minute we begin to
concentrate our nutrients we get into trouble. Most people
think they can take all their vitamins and mineral
supplements in one sitting. This is a big mistake. All
nutrients must be spread out over time in order to be
effective.

When we go beyond nutrient balance, we get into the realm of
bio-energy balance. Physical exercise and breathing have a
powerful effect on the body. Physical movement cause micro
capillary contractions that help to move blood and lymphatic
fluid around the system. Simple exercises such as walking,
yoga, easy rebounding and T'ai chi Chuan are best for
circulating the red dragon (blood) around the system.

In esoteric literature we learn about the energy in the
blood and in the acupuncture pathways. We have developed
instruments that physically measure the bio-energy of the
body. These instruments are based on old Soviet research
that has shown that the bio-energy field or bio-plasma
around the body can alter the physical characteristics of
common electrical insulators. These effects are quite small
but with the aid of modern low noise electronics we have
been able to quantify these changes.

We have shown that diet, mild exercise, breathing exercises,
mental attitude, meditation and the water we drink all have
powerful effects on bio-plasma.

The problem is that there is a schism between people who
believe that diet is all and the people who think that you
can eat any way you want as long as you practice meditation
and yoga. What we have found is that diet and water build
the energy transformers that link the so called esoteric
energies to the body. If you want to develop spiritually,
you have to take care of the transducer or body. It is the
down link from higher to lower. You cannot ignore the body's
liquid crystals if you want to develop. Inner work has got
to cover all aspects of living.

Our private research has shown that the bio-colloidal system
is a powerful sensitive energy transduction system. We have
been able to detect bio-plasma fields by making antenna out
of our Microclusters.. By connecting Oscilloscopes and Fast
Fourier Transform software to our Microcluster (R) antennas
we have detected and measured the level and frequencies of
the bio-energy system.

If your blood stream is polluted you really cannot expect to
explore the realms to higher consciousness, that is, to
reach illumination.

Q. Is there anyplace currently accessible in the United
States where water, like Hunza water can be found?

Unfortunately, there is no such place in the US. Hunza water
is mineral salt free like distilled water because it comes
from special ice-blue glaciers. The minerals found in Hunza
water are colloidal and are not in salt form. The glaciers
in Alaska come close but the colloidal minerals or glacier
silt is not fine enough, that is the colloids are too large.
Natural miniature cluster colloids are very rare. Hunza land
is no longer a source because the river beds have become
polluted and the pollution is now destroying the Zeta
potential found on the Hunza colloids. In the last few
years, the Hunza people have been losing their health
advantage because of this.

Q. Please discuss any current or future research work and
directions.

The discovery, creation and utilization of our Flanagan
Microclusters. have become an important part of our life's
work. For the past 25 years our research has focused on
assisting individuals with their progressive growth of body
mind and spirit. It is one our fondest wishes to help people
"connect their cells to their higher self" through our
Microcluster (R) products.

You can reach Patrick Flanagan's compuserve address is
71650,60.