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The National Midnight Star, Number 1108
Monday, 03 Jul 1995
Today's Topics:
Rik Emmett and Echolyn
A Show of Hands: Observations
Movies of Rush songs
Re: Movies of Rush songs
"...You move me, you move me..."
Re: 06/30/95 - The National Midnight Star #1107
Not the way in my high school.....
response to various topics
rush instrumentals
Emmett II / Huart
Rush at the University of Texas at Austin
Bootleg CD : FLORIDA
Best concert experience
Consecutive Nights
Various Topics
RUSH VERSUS AGE
MST3K
echolyn questions answered
Rush in the South
O` Canada!!!
drums in Live's Waterboy
High School Rush
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Neil Peart Debate
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From: Qghost@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:59:37 -0400
Subject: Rik Emmett and Echolyn
Thumbs up to whoever brought up the Rik Emmett subject. Triumph was a great
band and they deserve a lot more credit (and airplay) in the states than they
get. Emmett is one of THE best guitarists around. The way he handles a
fretboard is uncanny. Oh, and about his voice. Fantastic. Whoever it was
that asked Rik not to sing has to get his hearing checked. If you're a Rush
fan, you gotta admit that Geddy does not have the range and singing ability
of a Rik Emmett or a Steve Perry. I'm not knocking Geddy, I'm just saying
(and he would agree, I'm sure) that he ain't the greatest singer to come
around. Remember, he more or less assumed the role of vocalist. Anyway,
Triumph "lives and breathes in the hearts of the young" ("Follow Your Heart"
from Thunder Seven, 1984)...rock on Rik.
The link of Rush to Echolyn, I think, is slim. The fact that they are both
progressive and like odd time signatures is about it. Echolyn is more of a
hybrid of ELP/The Moody Blues(voices only)/Yes with a lot of originality that
really gives them a unique sound. Something modern music DESPERATELY needs.
They'll be touring the PA/NY area in July opening for Dream Theater. Watch
for it.
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Ghost Qghost@aol.com
"I'm sitting in the fireplace burning up my time."
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From: MarkYYZ@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 21:20:00 -0400
Subject: A Show of Hands: Observations
Greetings Rusheads.
In watching ASOH very late one night, a couple of questions presented
themselves:
1. Regarding "The Spirit of Radio":
a.Does anyone have any insight into that funny exchange between
Alex and Neil? (They're exchanging words and making funny faces,
you may recall.)
b.Why is it that Alex never uses the wah pedal on that solo
anymore?
2. Is anyone aware of other work by Keen Norman Stangl, the artist
credited with the cover art and accompanying animation
sequences?
Thanks.
Mark
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From: Sean Ahern <ahern@ccnet.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:30:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Movies of Rush songs
>Bryant Spalding writes:
> >I just had an idea. Since `Natural Science' is so full of audio and
> >visual imagery via of the music and lyrics, why couldn't someone make a
> >movie `short' of it?
>
> Yeah, I've thought a great amount about this as well. Being in the
> computer industry, my thoughts have drifted to an entirely computer
> animation video with Rush songs. I'm not talking here about the usual
> "kaledeoscope" set to music, but the use of graphics to show people,
> special effect, unusual points of view, etc. Don't think it's possible?
> Have you checked out Babylon 5 of late? All special effects are done
> with computers.
>
> So what do all you folks out there think? What would make a good plot to
> some of your favorite Rush songs?
I've thought about that as well. Also being in the computer industry, and
specifically computer graphics, I've thought about doing a completely
computer-rendered movie to go along with Cygnus X-1. I can imagine first
panning around the sky, looking at the stars until the camera goes across
the "six stars of the Northern Cross, in mourning for their sister's loss,
in a final flash of glory, never more to grace.....the
night....BOOOOOMMM!!!" During that section you would see a star in the
final throes of death, finally collapsing into a black hole, with an
accompanying outrush of material, similar to an explosion, leaving a large
black emptiness at the center, pulling in gasses and other material.
Not sure what would come next.
Cut to a view of a solar system. Sweep in slowly until a planet is seen.
Go closer still until we see a station, similar to Babylon 5. Keep going
closer until we are seeing one ship just leaving dock. As it flies by our
point of view, we can see "Rocinante" on the side just as Geddy says
"Rocinante". We can follow the ship as it goes into warp, hyperspace,
whatever, and follow it around obstacles as Geddy describes the flight.
You can even have some neat shots of the interior screens and panels,
showing what's going on from our hero's point of view.
We approach the black hole and the Rocinante starts in a spiral path
downward. I have some ideas about when in the music the event horizon
should be passed. (Stephen Hawking says that crossing the event horizon
wouldn't look like anything from the ship's point of view, or from the
black hole's point of view, but we can ignore that for artistic purposes.
However, from an exterior point of view, it would look like the Rocinante
keeps getting closer and closer to the event horizon, never ever actually
reaching it. Read "A Brief History of Time" for details. Again, we can
ignore that and make something that looks really neat.) There are
different sections in the last bit of the music which sound like the
Rocinante is just fine, but suddenly, something hits the ship, or maybe a
radar dish falls off. Then it's fine again. Then suddenly something else
happens.
And the back hole takes control...
Rocinante goes faster and faster, spinning and spinning and it falls
forward. We can even see it start to elongate near the end as it gets
closer and closer to the center. The camera shots start flashing faster
and faster, maybe stretching the camera, actually, to make the whole place
look like it's spiraling in. "Spinning, whirling, Still descending Like a
spiral sea, Unending." "Sound and fury Drowns my heart. Every nerve is
torn apart.......!!!!!"
At the end, as we go into the center, the screen would shake and go into a
huge flash of white, and the whiteness would fade back to an exterior view
of the black hole, "calmly" sucking material in, just as we saw it at its
birth at the beginning of the song.
I have almost all of this movie in my mind. I am thinking about the
following things:
1) Getting star charts and encyclopedias out so that I can create a pretty
good 3D star chart, especially around the area that Cygnus X-1 actually
exists. That way, at least from Earth, we can get some nice
recognizable constellations as we pan around. It will also give us
realistic motion as Rocinante flies around.
2) Timing the song, writing down key times when "musically interesting"
things happen. These times would be what the animation would "hang" on.
3) Designing a Rocinante.
4) Figuring out what the hell to do in between the birth of Cygnus and the
introduction of our hero. There's a long section there. A couple
minutes, actually.
5) Writing a program to track all of my objects. This would be the actual
animation. Designing key frames, asteriod movements, things like that.
This program would then output objects to a renderer of some type. I
have Persistence of Vision which should be adequate for this.
That's the way my thoughts have run. My biggest difficulties are #4 and
getting enough time to actually design the whole sequence. This would be a
long project.
So tell me, whaddya think? :-)
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From: dansko@boombox.raxco.com (Dan Skousen)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 20:12:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Movies of Rush songs
>So tell me, whaddya think? :-)
What do I THINK?!? What do I FEEL! I can see it, alright. Great idea on
this song.
>4) Figuring out what the hell to do in between the birth of Cygnus and the
> introduction of our hero. There's a long section there. A couple
> minutes, actually.
Some ideas:
1) You could show the black hole being formed in Man's pre-history. This
way you could display the planets in the Solar System grouping (perhaps as
an aftereffect of the star going super-nova as it formed into a black hole.)
Maybe even a "star-seed" of DNA got the whole process of life here started.
A touch of irony here: The black hole is the creator of Man, but the
destroyer of a man.
2) Put the formation of the black hole in modern times. Astronomers in
ancient China could be joyfully pointing at the sky as a new star appeared.
A little far fetch, since no doubt Cygnus X-1 has been around for some time,
but...the truth has been stretched before.
3) Show the construction of the ship/spacestation, etc. Perhaps you could
even start with some early machines, and morph through more and more complex
machines until... TA DA! The Ship.
I'll probably dream about a few more, tonight...
>
>That's the way my thoughts have run. My biggest difficulties are #4 and
>getting enough time to actually design the whole sequence. This would be a
>long project.
Yeah, same story here. I do have access to a SGI here at work, but I doubt
that my wife would put up with too many long nights at the office. But then,
this could be a viable economic idea. I know of just a few fans that would
want to pick up a copy...
Dan Skousen
Axent Technologies
(no fancy sig)
W: (801) 227-3770
H: (801) 798-7247
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From: KevC74379@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 23:39:47 -0400
Subject: "...You move me, you move me..."
Hello All!
I want to thank TNMS & all of you fellow fanatics for giving me the
opportunity to join in & rediscover Rush the way I did when I first heard
AFTK umpteen years ago! It's amazing to me just how much impact these three
guys have had! That is why I'd like to take a minute & respond to some stuff
I've seen here over the last few issues, & previously encountered every so
often as I've "Rushed through time".
First there seemed to be a thread debating Alex Lifeson's competency as =
a guitarist. Now more recently Stephen Francis McGovern
<randbass@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
> Don't misunderstand the above- NP is one of the greatest rock
> drummers ever- but he does not stack up against the top in all styles.
> Dave Weckl, Vinnie Coluiata, Dennis Chambers, Peter Erskine, Marvin
> Smith, Steve Gadd (to name a few) all are much more advanced.
I've been a musician (primarily guitarist) for close to 20 years now & I am
'technically trained' with a 'musical education'. I know this probably
doesn't mean jack diddly, but I think it's allowed me a few insights on this
topic.
The drummers Stephen named are certainly top-notch. In fact, from a
*technical* standpoint, everything Steve said is probably true. Music as I
see it, however, is not about technique. Music is about artistic expression
and human emotion. To reduce it to technique and arguments like "so & so
blows so & so away" is to ignore the real power & magic behind the art!
Rush was able to overcome the critics & lack of radio support for ONE reason
and ONE reason only (which is, by the way, the very same reason why TNMS
exists)-- because what they do MOVES so very many people worldwide in
profound ways!
Sure, there may be 'faster' guitarists than Alex, drummers with 'better
meter' than Neil. There may even be bassist/vocalist/keyboardists with better
technique than Geddy. All this may be true, but I'll tell you one thing ..
NOBODY can move ME musically the way Rush can!! If you look around at their
record sales & years of sold out shows throughout the world, I'd say it's a
safe bet that I'm not alone!
Not too many musicians ever accomplish what they have. This to me is what
makes Rush perhaps the BEST among the best!!
Thanks for letting me rant & rave. Sorry if I got a bit 'soap-boxey'!
Kevin Conklin
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From: Bijon Roy <broy@freenet.niagara.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 00:09:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 06/30/95 - The National Midnight Star #1107
Well, here's another Rush tidbit... At the SkyDome, upon introducing the
team, the end of Temples of Syrinx is played as the guys take to the
field... And each player (I believe) selects their stepping up to bat
music, and one of them uses Rush a lot too.
I just got Message in a Box as well, and yes, it rocks.
It's my personal dream to see a three piece band festival, including:
The Police
The JHE (I know... he's dead)
Cream (it could happen!)
RUSH
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"Genius Is The Fire That Lights Itself." - Neil Peart
"Where'd I Leave Those Matches???" - Bijon Roy
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From: Christopher Lee Mace <jmace@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 00:01:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Not the way in my high school.....
>From: super295@service1.uky.edu (Robert G. Buice, Jr.)
>Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:47:59 -0500
>Subject: High School Rush
>
>I graduated from HS in 1987 in Memphis, but I must say that I never had to
>endure years of Rush persecution in order to come to the true faith. At my
>HS almost everyone liked Rush...the majority loved Rush. Even the airhead
>cheerleaders had a least one Rush album, usually Permanent Waves. Whenever
>Rush came to town there were huge groups of people wearing shirts the next
>day. The local rock station played Rush 4-5 times a day. Oh yeah, one of
>the walls in my HS boasted a 15 x 20 foot painting of the archives cover.
>That's the nude guy and the star. It was truly amazing how the Rush fans
>in my HS crossed all socio-economic, racial, and gender barriers.
Not so in my high school. A few years ago, for our daily morning
announcements, the person in charge of music for the production always
played Rush, but I always heard negative critizism about it. I really have
to seek out other Rush fans.
Most of the people at my high school likes either 80's top 40 music,
or they only listen to Alternative- that's b*llsh*t. Not that alternative is
all bad, but is that all that you should be open to? I hate the music taste
in my school.
I know of about 10 Rush fans, in a school of 1000 to 1500. There
are probably more, but they are rare. Oh well. No one should try to change
someone's music taste, even though it's bad.
One piece of good news about my school- I'm done with it.
Ty- http://www.uwm.edu/~jmace
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From: gilbert1@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Jeff Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 01:27:35 -0400
Subject: response to various topics
Okay, a few things...
I got into Rush during my spohmore year in high school (around 1987). I'm a
musician (bass player) and kept hearing about what great musicians these
guys were, especially Neil and Geddy. I bought Hold Your Fire and was really
impressed. I proceeded to buy all the other albums as well. When I saw them
live for the first time on the Presto tour, I was a fan for life. I've seen
them live three more times since.
There were quite a few Rush fans in high school. Probably more than in
most. It was nice to have other people at school to talk Rush to.
I agree that Rik Emmett is a very underrated guitarist. He's really
amazing! BTW, Rik, Alex, classical guitarist Liona Boyd and jazz guitarist
Ed Bickert collaberated on a project for a soundpage in "Guitar Player"
magazine back in '87. Emmett was the mastermind behind the project (He
conceived, wrote and produced it). The result was quite impressive!
There are other rush-like bands I enjoy listening to. Dream Theater is one
of them. Echolyn is really good to (though they sound more like Gentle Giant
than Rush). There's also another great band called Illuvatar that's really
great too. They have an album out on Kinesis Records that's just amazing.
The band has elements of Rush, Yes and classic Genesis in their sound. I'd
definitely recommend it. (You can order a copy from Kinesis, 1430 Wisp Ct.,
Hanover, MD 21076) Disclaimer: No one in Illuvatar or Kinesis paid me to say
this. I'm just an impressed fan passing the word along!
I'm anxious to hear Alex's solo album. I wonder what it's going to be like?
Will it be anything like Rush or totally different from Rush? We'll have to
wait and see! Of course, I'm even more anxious for a new Rush album, but it
looks like we'll have to wait until the spring of summer of '96.
Well, that's all for now. See ya!
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From: Christopher Lee Mace <jmace@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 00:31:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: rush instrumentals
> > local news out of Allentown, PA last night, and while they were running
> > the scores of the night's baseball games, what else did they play as
> > background music but... Leave That Thing Alone!!! Well, needless to say,
> > I was so overjoyed by the fact that the local media recognized such great
> > music that I didn't even mind that the Phillies were spanked 12-3 by
> > Cincinnati. Well, maybe I minded a little...
>
>Well, once being involved in "local media" I can tell you that it's more
>likely that one lone Rush "infiltrator" on the staff found the opportunity
>to sabotage the mainstream theme with something more tasteful... ;-) I
>know I've done it!!
>
>Bill
I don't do many productions, but when I had the opportunity to make a video
for my senior class for graduation, I jumped at the chance to use a RUSH
instrumental. Instrumentals are the perfect thing to keep the person
interested, but not concentrating on lyrics.
Some people told me not to do it, because Rush wasn't "popular,"
whatever that means. Yet, someone else (Another non-rush fan) told me that
it's my video, and that I'm in charge. I stayed firm and put it in.
I used "Where's My Thing?" becuase I just love the song. It worked
perfectly, too. In the video, I had three sections. One mainly for
friendship and stuff, where I used Madonna's "I'll Remember" I don't care
too much for Madonna, but the music and lyrics fit in perfect. Then for my
clubs and activities section, I used the instrumental. It was perfect. I
wish I could show everyone. For the last section, I used a song that my
choir director composed for our graduating class. It was cool, and the video
made about $200, too. Cool, eh? I felt proud about the whole project.
I'm not too suprised, either that that sports thing used it either.
My local news is pretty good about choosing good instrumentals, yet they
overuse some sometimes.
Gotta stop bothering you people. C-ya! Ty
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From: BLOODLINE 'CALLING ME BACK TOUR' SUMMER 1995 <PARMERTERB@hartwick.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 1:34:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Emmett II / Huart
Thanks for agreeing with me Dave!
SInce there has been Emmett talk recently I thought it would be a more approp-
raite time than any other to ask:
If ANYONE has/can find a copy or original of Triumph's live videotape "STAGES"
please email: parmerterb@hartwick.edu - I will trade/buy/etc Rush stuff for
it. Got lots to choose from - I've been looking for over 5 years for this
puppy!
So Dvae, that's why you haven't sent me the Ryche live huh:-)
Brad
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From: pluong@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 01:11:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Rush at the University of Texas at Austin
Hello fellow Rush fans!
I will be attending the University of Texas at Austin,
and I heard there are lots of Rush fans down there. Cool!
Anyone here go to UT? Drop me a note. Hook em Horns!
"Your meters may overload, you can rest at the side of the road"
"You can miss a stride, but nobody gets a free ride"
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From: pluong@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 01:49:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Bootleg CD : FLORIDA
Hello again fellow Rush fans,
I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the
bootleg CD, FLORIDA. It is a double CD set
how is the quality? what songs are on it? Thanks
[ I actually just heard of this from another fan. He thinks it might be
the same as "Storm in St. Petersburg"... : rush-mgr ]
"Who do ya think you are? You think you are a star?"
"Oh yeah, Oh yeah baby"
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From: chappa@PrimeNet.Com (Scott Chappa)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 23:55:12 -0700
Subject: Best concert experience
Since this would be the appropriate place to post my story, I thought
I'd share the best time I saw Rush.
A long time ago, I was in the Marine Corps stationed in Cherry Point, NC
and Rush was to tour in November of '87 for their Hold Your Fire tour in
Hampton, VA, which was about 5 hours away. Cool. Hadn't seen them since
the Signals tour so this would great. I had met this girl who was in town
for a short while and loved Rush (one of the 7 females who probably likes
Rush:) ). I invited her to go (this would've been her first concert) so we
drove way out there to Hampton Colleseum. As we were all primed up and ready
to hear our favorite tunes, we drove to the parking lot gate, where we were
then notified that there was an illness in the band and the show was
postponed. Bummer. So after driving back the next morning, I called around
to see when the show was to be rescheduled. I found out it was in January,
but she couldn't go then. I had one extra ticket and asked this guy from
work wanted to go. This other guy from work also wanted to go with his wife
so I managed to get 2 extra tickets which he paid for. The first guy gave me
the ticket back a week from the concert saying that he didn't have the money
for the ticket. Funny how he bought a $300 chow dog a few days later with
all the money he didn't have. I had trouble getting off for the rescheduled
concert, so I had to take leave for it. I wanted to get to Hampton early
because it was festival seating, so I went early to pick up the other guy
and his wife. I knew something was wrong when I walked in the door because
their kid was still there dressed like he wasn't going anywhere. He told me
there that he couldn't get a babysitter. Thanks for the forewarning.
Luckily he paid for the tickets so he was out of his own money.
As I drove away from the apartment, I kept telling myself that this was
going to be worth it. Finally I get to Hampton. I didn't check the weather
report before I went up there, so the 1 foot deep snow greeted me as I
pulled in the parking lot. All I had on was a leather jacket and a pair of
jeans, so I pretty much froze as I was 12th in line 5 hours before they
opened the doors. I kept telling myself 'this is going to be worth it, I
know.' I was talking to a local guy who was beside me and he was telling me
how the colleseum was laid out. The door to the floor was about 20 feet
away from me, so when they finally opened the doors and collected the
tickets, I did a run to that door that wouldv'e made an Olympic runner
proud. There was no seats on the floor so security made us sit on the floor
leaving about a 6 foot buffer between us and the wall. I was the second
person deep about a 1/3 left of the stage (where Alex Lifeson usually
stands). The same guy who gave me the info was also beside me and we were
talking for a little while before Tommy Shaw opened up. The two guys in
front of us had limited access back stage passes and wanted $50 ea. I
didn't have enough money on me or I would've got one, but oh well. I'd
never been this close before in a concert. Not until the back stage guys
headed for the back stage so me and the other guy scooted up to the first
row. He [the guy] then told me to watch security because they were going to
gesture for everyone to get up and move to the wall. "When that happens,
stake your claim on the wall!" Cool! With my feet cocked and ready to go,
they did as he said they would and I was on the wall in a matter of
nanoseconds. I was then about 8 feet from the stage.
Tommy Shaw came and went. Now the inevitable changing of the equipment
came. And the feeling of a sardine in a can. Some people decided that they
wanted to be up front like me, but the laws of physics says two people can't
occupy the same space. Many people behind us decided they would test that
law. A few times I wondered if I could get a lung full of air, but the
pushing subsided and a few moments later the lights went out announcing the
arrival of my most favorite band. The first thing I heard was the familiar
sound of the Three Stooges theme being played (just like the beginnning of A
Show Of Hands.) Then, I saw Alex Lifeson walk right in front of me rearing
and ready to go. I almost died right there. Here is a legend for me and I
am about 2 arms length from him! After the theme finished playing the broke
out with "The Big Money" (one of my top 5 favorite songs by them.) I could
not believe my luck!
Throughout the course of the night, they played a wide array of songs and
Geddy often ran over to the left side of the stage to see how everyone was
doing over there. It was still difficult for me to believe that I was this
close and I could see all the chords actually being played, all the rifts
from the Rickenbacker, and all the percussion from Neil with my own eyes and
not from a video screen.
After the concert, I was parched and the cold winter air was like a
welcome greeting as I walked out the door still slightly deaf.
"Yup. It was worth it. Definitely!'
Scott Chappa
"The Binary Barracuda"
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From: ForceTen10@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:21:57 -0400
Subject: Consecutive Nights
As for the Set thing. I agree fully, about the wish that Rush would play a
different set everynight. But their is no way Rush is gonna play a completely
different set evernight, but what if they were able to come up with say, 2
different shows, with completetly different songs, and rotate the shows for
different nights? That way they could still have all the lights, and
sythesizer effects programed in at the right times, but have a different set
rehearsed and ready for 2 different gigs or so? Even 2 would be better than
one.
For instance. The CP tour went like:
Dreamline
The Spirit Of Radio
Analog Kid
Cold Fire
etc....
Howabout the "Alternative Plan" night like this:
The Big Money
Free Will
Lock And Key
Animate
Don't you think 2 different shows like that would be great (so if you see
them consecutively the set will be completely different) Rather than the same
thing 2 nights in a row?
Does anyone/everyone think maybe if we expressed this idea to Rush/Anthem/SRO
before the next Rush tour, that they might consider it? Or does everyone
think its a lost cause?
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From: ross-s@digital.net (Ross Specter)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:30:03 -0400
Subject: Various Topics
First, I'd just like to thank those who sent me suggestions for my next
album to get. I still haven't decided, but oh well.
I just found a rush site a few days ago. I don't know if anyone else has
seen this, but the address is
http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~901430w/kevhome.html. I hope he doesn't mind that
I'm advertising his site, but I found it to be pretty interesting. There's
an interview between Geddy and Les Claypool (bassist for Primus) Kevin, if
you're reading this, thanks, I really like your page.
I just saw Queensryche a couple of nights ago. If you get a chance to see
them--Go. It was a great show, with costume changes, changes in sets and
great lighting (thanks Howard, I'm pretty sure) They were amazing, although
a bit harder than Rush. Another neat little fact about them: Hugh Syme did
their newest album cover. (I don't know about any others.)
Last, for the high school thread, I'm just out of high school for one year,
and I only knew about three or four people who liked them. I'm probably the
most hard-core fan though. A couple of the other kids really liked them a
lot, but the others just thought they were ok. Most of my friends teased
me, but I just ignored them--hey, they're the ones missing out.
Ross
P.S. I think Presto is a really great album, too. As much as I like the
stuff from the 70's I also really like the way the group got more melodic in
the 80's.
P.P.S. If anyone else on the list is from the Tampa area, email me and maybe
we could get together and trade or something.
Sorry if the formatting on this post is bad, I'm working with a new mail
program.
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From: Ian Worthington <100637.2731@compuserve.com>
Date: 01 Jul 95 06:32:45 EDT
Subject: RUSH VERSUS AGE
Hi , my name is Ian Worthington and I live near Manchester , England.
This is my first posting so please be lenient with me!.
I have been reading with interest the various stories about people who loved THE
band at High School unfortunatley living in England we don't have such a thing ,
I went to a Grammar school, in my school there were a handful of devotees to the
cause, we were considered odd at the time ( mid seventies ) to be talking
constantly about a band no-one had heard of, alas this is still generally the
case in the U.K., isolated pockets of fans.
I was lucky enough to catch the band in 1977 at the Manchester Free Trade Hall ,
and have endevoured to see the band whenever they came to these shores ( not
often enough ).
My Father has also been a fan since the early days but it wasn't to cool to have
your Dad tag along to a show when you are a teenager , this all changed when in
1992 in my late (very late!) twenties I finally gave in to his constant begging
and took him with me, everything was fine until a week before the gig he
suddenly panicked about what he would wear, as he didn't want to look daft (
I'll look like a 49 year old fool ) were his exact words, this panic attack
turned out to be unfounded when he saw a guy who must have been in his sixties
(dressed in a suit, cue wolf whistles and much shouting of "Pavarotti's next
week") he thouroughly enjoyed himself after that.
As an aside, we missed PRIMUS due to liverpool FC playing portsmouth FC at Aston
villa Park (just down the road from the N.E.C. Birmingham) and the Motorway was
jammed with traffic, on sitting down I asked the man sitting behind what primus
were like he answered and I quote "they were musicians, musicians" which is UK
rock-speak for rubbish.
so from this I conclude that it simply doesn't matter how old you are as long as
you enjoy the show/music.
I would also like to say, you should consider yourselves lucky to live in a
country that allows Rock bands air-time, the one and only time that Rush made a
large dint in the charts over here
(spirit of radio) I saw with mounting excitement the the boys were going to be
played on Top of The Pops (cue retching) , the promised night arrived, I sat in
total silence waiting , the announcement that Rush were next...
NO!!!!!!! legs and Co (a reeeeeallly bad dance troupe) were giving their truly
bad rendition of the way they thought the choreography should look.
I was sick for days, I didn't speak to anyone, I didn't eat, in fact the thought
of that night still makes me cringe to this day.
anyway enough of my rantings
keep up the good work.
Ian Worthington
p.s. I took my dad to see ZZ top at christmas and missed the support act there
as well he must be a jinx.
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From: robert.sedler@nor.mkl.com (ROBERT SEDLER)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 95 10:08:00 -0500
Subject: MST3K
Hi'yall,
I'm new to TNMS, and after reading the FAQ list, I wondered if there was
anything left to say.....but.
In the COUNTERPARTS liner notes, they list MST3K and (Gamera is Turtle
meat).
I myself am a BIG BIG (extreeeemely large) MST3K fan and was wondering
which band member is the MST3K fan, or are they all into it.
I live for RUSH, BOC, and MST3K! Talk to me folks.
Robert J Sedler
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From: John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:24:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: echolyn questions answered
I'd like to beg the indulgence of the rush-mgr and everyone for this
lack of Rush content, but I figured I'd try and answer all the
questions people seemed to have about echolyn, as there seems to be
some interest.
echolyn is a new progressive rock band, with a very unique sound.
They have superb musicianship. It's really hard to describe their
sound without comparing them to other progressive bands. They sound
like a combination of Rush, Kansas, Gentle Giant, old Yes, Marillion,
a bit of Genesis (old), while still sounding unique and not
derivative.
They released an album on Sony 550 records in March and it should be
available in any standard music store. Granted, not too many people
know about them (yet :-), so the stores may not have them in stock,
but it is DEFINITELY orderable, and in my opinion worth getting. They
have also released their album domestically in Canada, but it's kind
of hard to find, and it is also available in europe and japan,
although it's a bit more difficult to find there I suspect.
For more information on echolyn, feel free to check out my echolyn web
page at http://tarkus.ac.acs.cmu.edu/echolyn/echolyn.html (which also
has a link to the Sony web page, who's URL I don't remember off hand),
or email me (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu), or even the band themselves
(echolyn@delphi.com) if you have any specific questions.
There ARE links to soudn samples on my page.
I'm sure there will be some people who may not find them to be their
cup of tea, but if you like Rush, and other progressive acts, there's
a pretty good chance that you will also like echolyn.
If you get the chance to see them live, they are well worth it. They
are the only band I've seen as many times as I have Rush, at 10 shows
apiece.
-John Santore
The Wiblet administrator (echolyn mailing list)
P.S. I am not affiliated with the band in any official capacity, but
just am a pretty active fan.
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From: "David Sissman (Rice University) Houston" <dsissman@dcc.uchile.cl>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:42:13 -0400 (CST)
Subject: Rush in the South
About Rush being a West/Midwest/Northeast/Canada band . . .
I go to school in Houston, and on the last tour Rush went through
Austin, San Antonio, and Houston, all cities about three hours away from
each other. Country music is pretty strong in Texas, but Rush gets a
decent amount of airplay and is definitely a big name.
I went to high school in South Florida, which is really an extension
of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, so of course Rush was known
and loved (although not to the extent of obsession -- in my high school
pop music was king).
One time I was driving from Florida to Houston, and I was wearing my
Counterparts t-shirt when we stopped in a gas station in rural
Louisiana. The attendent said to me "Great concert, wasn't it?" He had
gone to see Rush in New Orleans.
I don't know what's wrong with Atlanta...maybe you're just hanging out
with the wrong peopl. 8-)
David Sissman
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From: Jeffrey339@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:15:25 -0400
Subject: O` Canada!!!
Just a little tidbit. Living here in Buffalo and being so close to Canada,
I get to hear alot of Rock and Roll from the motherland. Canadian rock
stations are MUCH better than anything local. Anyways, 97.7 Hits-FM from
Southern Ontario was talking about the upcoming Dream Theater album due out
in September I believe. They said it`ll be a "live" album with one RUSH cover
song on it. (Which song was not mentioned) There will also be an un-named
studio song on the album which was said to be a 20 minute epic. Just thought
you`d like to know. Or not!!! Oh yea, just wanted to mention to the folks
that made that "RushInfo for Windows" that it`s really cool. Good job.
Jeff Swanson-- jeffrey339@aol.com or swan@buffnet.net
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From: Steven Horwitz <SHOR@MUSIC.STLAWU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 95 14:34:56 EDT
Subject: drums in Live's Waterboy
I also think the drums in Live's "Waterboy" are very Peartian. Someone
said Signals era, and that's about right. It actually reminds me more
of GUP songs like "The Enemy Within" or "The Body Electric".
This is the best I can do after returning from a trip with 136 messages
waiting for me!
The Professor
no time for ORQ...
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From: mwood@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Eric A. Haswell)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:44:07 -0600
Subject: High School Rush
Hey y'all,
Let me begin by saying how wonderful it is to find people
who actually like Rush!! The resourses available on the net are beyond my
wildest dreams - nowhere else is there so much info in one place, but enough
about that!! This is my first post so thanks for having me.
I got into Rush in grade 10 (1989) because my cousin who had long
hair was into them so I figured they must be cool. I bought a used PoW tape
for 5 bucks and really got into it, and I mean REALLY got into it. The more
albums I bought, the more I got into them and the more songs I discovered
that I could relate to with personal life experiences.
Rush were complete unknowns at my high school. I mean, everyone had
heard of Rush but I didn't know anyone else who was into them like I was.
When people asked me what I was listening to in my walkman, I'd say Rush and
they'd wrinkle their nose and say something like 'man that guy's voice is
annoying'. None of this phased me one bit, having always had this feeling
that I was part of something special, that there were tons of other people
out there who felt the same way I did and I would meet them sooner or later.
We had to do one of those 'analyse song lyrics' assignments in
English class where you talk about the song and then play it for the class.
Other people in my class did the standards: U2, Red Hot Chili Peppers etc.,
I even remember one girl doing Don Johnson (remember that song
'Heartbeat'?). Needless to say, I did Rush and the song I chose was
Subdivisions. It was my personal little jab at all the people who were so
caught up in trying to fit in and be cool that they basically lost the
ability to achieve genuine happiness, stress free (my classes were full of
people like that). Reactions were coolly unreceptive at best, outright
laughter at worst, but the last laugh went to me; I knew what the song was
saying!!
I still love Rush (read: worship) and expect to for the rest of my days.
I still don't know anyone who likes Rush even remotely (save one) but hey, I
really don't care!! Thanks for listening and I'll talk to ya again soon.
Take it easy,
Eric A. Haswell
mwood@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
-"Nowhere is the dreamer
or the misfit so alone." I love it!!!!
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From: lance@helix.net (Lance Neustaeter)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 95 13:54:35 -0800
Subject: Subject headers
I may be the only one who does this, but since the NMS is
quite a long msg (digest), I am forced to skim and only
read the posts that catch my interests. That's why
subject headers were invented, no? It goes without
saying that if the subject line says:
Re: National Midnight Star #xxx
It gets skipped right then and there. The moral of this
story: If you want your posts read by me (and anyone
else who does this)--put a subject in the header. If you
don't care if I read your posts, then nevermind.
Lance
* The world weighs on my shoulders/ But what am I to do?/ You sometimes
* drive me crazy--/ But I worry about you// I know it makes no
* difference/ To what you're going through/ But I see the tip of the
* iceberg--/ And I worry about you... --Peart
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From: super295@service1.uky.edu (Robert G. Buice, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:38:51 -0500
> Don't misunderstand the above- NP is one of the greatest rock
>drummers ever- but he does not stack up against the top in all styles.
>Dave Weckl, Vinnie Coluiata, Dennis Chambers, Peter Erskine, Marvin
>Smith, Steve Gadd (to name a few) all are much more advanced. These
>gentleman are even more polyrhythmic, faster, able to play any style,
>incredibly precise, etc.
I have always hung around musicians and the general concensus seems to
agree with the above post. That Neil is the best rock drummer with no
close second, but that even the avergae jazz drummer is better. I just
heard Neils "Burinin for buddy" album where he trys to play big band pop.
It is interesting to compare him with so many jazz drummer on the same
album. He is competent but definately sounds "little league" compared to
all the other drummers except perhaps Weckl who also is a little weak or at
least uncreative. And I don't think you can say that this is because Neil
was out of his element because the music on BFB is alot closer to pop than
to jazz. So Neil should have the home court advantage. Marvin "Smitty"
Smith just blows me away. I have 20+ disks with this guy. He is amazing.
I have heard Neil play polyrythms and such live though.
Robert G. Buice, Jr email: super295@pop.uky.edu
Analytical Spectroscopy Group http://kerouac.pharm.uky.edu/rgbuice.html
College of Pharmacy
University of Kentucky (606) 257-2570
PGP Key: http://kerouac.pharm.uky.edu/pgpkeys.html
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From: daccross@pacifier.com (David Cross)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 95 22:10 PDT
Subject: Neil Peart Debate
Hello to all of you out there who are reading this. It is good to know
there are others who like RUSH. Not my main point, but in response to the
recent on-going discussion there aren't that many RUSH fans at the high
school I attend.
Now for my main point. I've spent a lot of time recently observing
many posts as to whether or not Neil Peart is a good drummer, the best
drummer, or who's better and for what reasons. For emphasis I will start
with a quote from the man in question, himself, "I know you're different,
and you know I'm the same..." Come on ladies and gentlemen; we've all
every right to our own opinion on the matter, but I've seen something in
the ever-lasting debate as to who's best... and that's that it will NEVER
end!!! I repeat, we all, every last person one this wonderful planet
Earth, have our own opinions. Seeing as how the argument happens to
invovle a field called art, I see not how any one view can be right or
wrong. Every view point should be taken into consideration, none being
better than others(maybe more substantiated, not better), and none being
discredited(although some are clearly unfoundedly derogatory). I lieu of
what I have just written I won't express my view on the subject, although I
will say that I am a percussionist. I have observed much praise over the
man in discussion, Neil Peart, and have witnessed abundant negativity
regarding the same individual; I personally would like to see this
seemingly endless abyss(the debate) come to a close. I enjoy reading about
other good drummers and why they are good or bad, but the Peart debate has
gone on for how many years... can anyone, I implore ANYONE, rembemer when
it even began?!? I don't know if I speak for anyone else, I cannot even
say that I wish to, but I do speak for myself in saying that I am getting
frusterated of sifting through these arguments(although I do and always will
because I value all the imput others have, whether I agree with it or not)
trying to find an article relevant to some new idea.
--Truth is after all a moving target
Hairs to split
And pieces that don't fit
How can anybody be enlighted?
Truth is after all so poorly lit--- Neil Peart
We all need to release what Mr. Peart said so clearly above.
Thank You all so very much.
Josh Cross
e-mail:daccross@pacifier.com
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