From:    Co-op Student 
To:      All                                      Msg #2, 07-Aug-89 01:18
Subject: Re: Are eggs vegetarian? (!)

From: protcoop@bnr-public.uucp (Co-op Student)
Date: 3 Aug 89 13:57:42 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Message-ID: <1386@bnr-fos.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg


The yolk (yellow) has almost all (if not all) of the cholesterol.
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From:    Wayne Mesard 
To:      All                                      Msg #3, 07-Aug-89 10:57
Subject: killing is exciting

From: mesard@bbn.com (Wayne Mesard)
Date: 5 Aug 89 00:09:56 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Message-ID: <43852@bbn.COM>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

In article <4679@viscous.sco.COM> ruthc@sco.COM (Ruth Colby) writes:
> I'm looking
>forward to raising my own chickens for eggs and I want to experience
>actually killing my own food. [...] its both a scary and exciting idea.

>killing animals for food is
>something the human race has been doing since day 1.

Raping women and having wars is something the human race has been doing
since day 1, also.  Doesn't make it right.  The premise behind [my]
vegetarianism is that our intellect endows us with the ability to
transcend our nature--not to merely rationalize it.

>the tragedy of
>modern life is that too many people don't understand where it comes from
>and what the environmental implications are.

>right now, I'm vegan for environmental and health reasons primarily.  in
>regards to health, I know I will never again eat meat more than perhaps
>a couple times a month.  but I know I will eat meat again someday - when
>I am sure where it is coming from.

Is your objection to the anonymity associated with the process of buying
commercial meat, or to the interesting treatment it receives before and
after slaughter?  Of course, you realize what an environmental
catastrophe it would be if everyone in [your favorite Western nation
here] were to have first-hand knowledge of where his/her food came from.

[Please don't read this as a flame.  But a number of things you said in
your article rubbed me the wrong way.]

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From:    Steve Dyer 
To:      All                                      Msg #4, 07-Aug-89 10:58
Subject: Re: killing is exciting

From: dyer@spdcc.COM (Steve Dyer)
Date: 5 Aug 89 01:17:02 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Message-ID: <4065@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

In article <43852@bbn.COM> mesard@BBN.COM (Wayne Mesard) writes:
>Of course, you realize what an environmental
>catastrophe it would be if everyone in [your favorite Western nation
>here] were to have first-hand knowledge of where his/her food came from.

It seems to me that this would be the biggest boon to vegetarianism
the movement has ever seen...

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From:    Sue McLaughlin 
To:      All                                      Msg #5, 08-Aug-89 15:05
Subject: Re: Camping RECIPES wanted

From: hartter@bierstadt.ucar.edu (Sue McLaughlin)
Date: 7 Aug 89 12:44:34 GMT
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR, Boulder CO
Message-ID: <3886@ncar.ucar.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,rec.food.cooking

In article <wYq=bMy00UpKA1FUYO@andrew.cmu.edu> grm+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen
Miller) writes:
>I'm going camping (off to the Pennsic Wars) at the end of next week, and
>I'm looking for recipes that can be prepared over an open woodfire, or a
>charcoal fire.  I'm particularly interested in meatless dishes, since
>       gretchen

        This soup is very filling and has almost all the food groups in it!

Black Bean Soup

1 can black beans  12oz?                       1 can chicken broth 12oz?
1 onion, chopped                               2 cloves
1/2 green pepper, chopped                      1 stalk celery, chopped
cumin,  to taste                               2 cloves garlic, chopped
unsalted tortilla chips, crushed               fresh cilantro, to taste
monterey jack cheese, shredded or thinly sliced

Combine all ingredients except chips and cheese.  Heat to boiling, then
simmer for 10 minutes.  To serve, place some chips and cheese in a bowl
and pour soup over.

Serves 2 hungry people or 3 normal people, easily doubled.

I have made this while camping several times and have gotten rave reviews.
I tried using regular salted chips and they were too salty!  Leftover
taco shells do fine too.  Enjoy!
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From:    Ashok Mudholkar 
To:      All                                      Msg #6, 08-Aug-89 15:31
Subject: Re: man made sneakers

From: ashm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ashok Mudholkar)
Date: 6 Aug 89 20:16:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester
Message-ID: <2641@ur-cc.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

Hmmm...
        I'm not quite sure to whom this is going; 's my first time replying on
Usenet. 
        Anyway, this a reply to Andy (I forget the last name)'s assertion that
vinyl, and many other leather substitutes used in shoe making, are animal
derived. To the best of my knowledge this is not true. Admittedly, they pro-
bably cause damage to our environment in production, so they're a mixed bag
anyway.
        A good way to find out for sure about the animal ingredients issue
would be to look at the ads in the back of an issue of the Vegetarian Times.
I have a catalogue of non-leather formal wear and hiking-type stuff which I
obtained by responding to one such advertisement (I forget its name). The 
problem of obtaining "creulty-free" products is an old one, and it appears
that
a lot of veg.'s have found their own solutions. Mine has been a pair of white
all-cotton denim sneakerish shoes I bought at a BASS outlet a year-and-a-half
ago. They've stood a lot of abuse, are pretty comfortable, and look fairly
'respectable'. Probably shoes made by a company which has nothing to do with
leather/animal products are a better idea. The companies I referred to above
all provide info about what they do - most claim to perform no animal testing
and use no animal ingredients. Co-ops sometimes have something to offer,
too.

Just a thought...


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From:    Ashok Mudholkar 
To:      All                                      Msg #7, 08-Aug-89 15:31
Subject: Re: Vegan Pet Food

From: ashm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ashok Mudholkar)
Date: 6 Aug 89 21:16:05 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester
Message-ID: <2643@ur-cc.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

Forgive me for not including quotes from the letter I'm responding to (I don't
know how to yet).

I've seen a horde of letters insisting that cats cannot live healthily on a
vegetarian diet; while this is largely true, it overlooks the possibility of
synthesizing(sp?) the various materials which cats can ordinarily obtain only
from meat. It also overlooks the fact that most vegetarians like animals a
lot;
they like to have pets around, including cats, so the problem of how to feed a
cat without killing isn't a new one.
        There's a company in California which makes a product they call
Vegecat. They're called Harbingers of a New Age and they claim, in a fairly
detailed pamphlet which they send out free of charge, that it can meet all of
the nutritional requirements of cats. It sounds charming (they provide a
recipe book -- the food is mixed with various ordinary grocerystore-type items
which you have to COOK for kitty) and is supported by the affirmations of
cat owners and veternarians(sp-again).I admit that I've never tried it - I
don't have a cat - but it sounds like a resonable idea. My only worry is that
there may be substances present in meat which vet. science hasn't noticed as a
cat essential; such as those might not be provided in Vegecat. Still, it has
been around for a few years, with no complaint that I'm aware of. Perhaps
Cornell's school of Ag. and Animal Husbandry, or some other animal-care
research organization knows more about it, yes? 8-)

Anyways, some of you animal lovers might do well to check it out - Vegecat is
advertized in Vegetarian Times. I have a brochure of theirs somewhere. If I
find it, I'll post more info.
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